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  • Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

    A random quote triggered this question.

    Is it that the act of having absolute and unswerving faith in God or an ideology can corrupt your humanity as effectively as the possession of absolute power can?

    We've all seen how badly the Christians behaved with the Earth religions, how badly the Muslims behaved with everyone else and sometimes even their own, how badly the Hindus behaved with untouchables, how badly....... the list goes on, but you get the point.

    All this was possible because each thought that they have sanction for their acts from their patron deity, or from scripture, or from some (any) authority they trusted. All these people genuinely believed that what they were doing was right, that it was just, that it was the best thing that they could do.

    Today, most of these religious traditions have reformed themselves. Christianity does not try to actively burn people at the stake (though, given their behaviour in India, I'm reluctant to call them fully reformed - they still try to get away with the old methods of "Slay the infidel! Drive him out!" whenever and wherever they can). Untouchability is banned and a criminal offence (and though it is still rampant in many parts of India, specially the rural and underdeveloped ones, at least all religious leaders have unequivocally condemned it). Islam is rather peculiar in this regard, because not only has the orthodox clergy not reformed, they also have power, so we have laws which were regressive even by the contemporary standards of the time they were created in being imposed in the modern world. But given time, I'm sure that Islam will either reform itself, or die.



    The question then arises - does the act of having absolute faith in something - anything - tend to corrupt your moral sense as much as the exercise of absolute power would? By subordinating your thought process and your sense of empathy and your ability to feel to your faith and your authority, do you lose the moral instinct altogether? Do you become blind and insensitive to the injustices and moral wrongs committed due to the exercise of your faith, or in the name of your faith, or even associated with your faith?

    Note that in this context, faith is not merely religious. It could also be the blind following of an ideology. Communism is a good case in point - 20,000,000 killed by Stalin, 40,000,000 by Mao - it has probably killed more people than all religions combined, and it was an actively atheistic ideology. And not just an ideology, but any idea at all.

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    Absolute faith in and of itself confers no ability to act upon it freely. Absolute power does.

    Given that corruption arises from the ability to act without recourse or reprisal, I would say absolute faith does not corrupt absolutely.
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    • #3
      Speaking of Erith:

      "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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      • #4
        Re: Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

        Yes. I submit you as evidence.

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        • #5
          Re: Re: Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          Yes. I submit you as evidence.
          That's quite interesting, because I'm completely faithless.

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            Re: Re: Re: Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

            Originally posted by aneeshm


            That's quite interesting, because I'm completely faithless.
            *asleep*

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            • #7
              Absolute faith is blind faith, and blind faith is a mockery form of faith.
              In da butt.
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              • #8
                I would argue that absolute faith does not corrupt, those that possess it are already corrupt.

                The idea that power corrupts implies that a man who was once good or at least not evil, who enjoys power for too long will turn evil. Ultimately, you don't want to trust anyone with too much power for too long because it will make them evil. One that has absolute faith is by definition willing to do anything for his faith and therefore already corrupt in the sense that he will do anything onto the infidels.

                Not every evil dictator is an example, because some were really evil before achieving power too.
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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

                  Originally posted by aneeshm
                  That's quite interesting, because I'm completely faithless.
                  Yeah, we know Hinduism is fully backed by evidence
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #10
                    And not just an ideology, but any idea at all.
                    Like India?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Re: Does absolute faith corrupt as absolutely as absoulte power?

                      Originally posted by aneeshm


                      That's quite interesting, because I'm completely faithless.
                      Question is wich of these three definitions to choose :

                      faith·less (fāth'lĭs) pronunciation
                      adj.

                      1. Not true to duty or obligation; disloyal.
                      2. Having no religious faith.
                      3. Unworthy of faith or trust; unreliable.

                      Why do I think that you would score high in no 3 if it was turned into a poll
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          I recently heard a talk given by a New York Muslim named Eboo Patel. He postulates that today's reglious dividing line in not between Jew and Christian, Muslim and Hindu, etc.

                          Rather, the dividing line is between people who recognize people of all religions are their brothers and those who believe theirs is the only true religion, that all others are evil and that non-believers must be exterminated.

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                          • #14
                            Faithless







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                            • #15
                              Yes. Because absolute power doesn't necessarily corrupt either...

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