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  • Canadians--The Budget-- What do you think

    I didn't see a thread on this

    In Depth
    Federal Budget 2007
    Making census of federal budget
    Harper brews up suburban-minded fiscal plan
    March 19, 2007
    By Christopher Waddell | CBC News
    Canadians have learned a couple of things about Prime Minister Stephen Harper in the past year or so.

    First and most important, he does nothing by accident and everything by design. Second, he'll take risks, confident he can persuade enough people he's right to end up winning.

    Both are evident in the federal budget introduced Monday, but to understand his strategy, you need to read two other documents. One is Harper's speech on March 18 to about 5,000 Conservative supporters in the Toronto area after a pre-election boot camp for candidates and workers. The other is Statistics Canada's Portrait of the Canadian Population 2006, released on March 13, that was based on 2006 census data.

    The census confirmed that the growth in Canada is not in the cities but with the families in the surrounding suburban communities in large part thanks to immigration. It is Brampton, Vaughan, Whitby, Markham and Richmond Hill around Toronto; St-Basil-le-Grand, Blainville, Mirabel, Terrebonne, Candiac and La Prairie circling Montreal; and Maple Ridge, Langley, Surrey and Port Moody east of Vancouver. Most have grown more than 20 per cent in the past five years – more than four times the national average.

    It's a world of Tim Hortons not Starbucks, and right now, the suburbanites elect mostly Liberal, New Democrat and Bloc MPs. Some may even be thinking Green.

    Tories take small practical steps
    It's these voters Harper challenged his party in his speech in Toronto to capture as supporters. He called them Canadians “in the broad middle . . . the quiet people you don't see on the nightly news.” They're also the voters he needs to satisfy his short- and long-term political objectives.

    That's why the second Conservative budget, like last year's first, is full not of large grandiose measures, but small practical steps all aimed squarely at that suburban middle class and their children.

    It's a safe bet that no one at Tim Hortons will be talking equalization, the fiscal balance or imbalance. That's all just numbers and debating points for the political classes. Maybe at Starbucks they pretend to understand it or can see how it relates to their daily lives.

    Last year, the talk at Tim's was the GST cut, the $100 a month per child under six for child care and tax credits for kids in sports.

    This year, the budget offers even more to discuss that relates to the daily lives of all those who live in the growing communities that circle Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver:

    The $2,000 per child tax credit that will produce $310 in tax savings for each child under 18 for almost all families.
    Higher tax deductions for non-working spouses or dependents.
    The increase to $400 in duty-free goods you can bring back when in the U.S. more than 48 hours, as these communities are all within two hours of the border.
    Larger RESP grants and more room for contributions.
    Extending RRSPs to age 71 from the current 69.
    The rebate of up to $2,000 for new flexible fuel and high fuel-efficiency vehicles.
    New taxes of $1,000 to $4,000 on gas guzzlers.
    Payments to scrap pre-1995 high-emission vehicles.
    Traditional Conservative fold out in cold
    Will all this lead suburbanites and immigrants to abandon past voting habits and back Harper and the Conservatives?

    It may not, and that's the risk that accompanies Harper's design, for the budget also leaves some traditional Conservative backers out in the cold. There's not much for those without children or whose children have grown up. They were hoping for an across-the-board tax cut but they didn't get it.

    The promised tax exemption for reinvested capital gains is nowhere to be seen, with the finance minister left saying something will happen some time.

    There's also nothing here for that breed of Conservative who believes the best government is the one that spends and does least – standing aside to let people get on with their lives as they see fit. They will have to be satisfied with another $9 billion put against the national debt.

    Social Conservatives will come up empty in looking for anything in this budget that helps their cause. That could be a campaigning advantage for Harper as the Liberals may have trouble rolling out the ghost of former Ontario premier Mike Harris for one more encore.

    However, Harper's eye is really on a longer-term goal. The Conservatives are blessed with an economy that continues to grow and produce tax revenue at an unprecedented rate, giving the government extraordinary flexibility in crafting budgets. He is aware how dramatically Canada is changing as the census demonstrates.

    In a political career characterized by reaching goals through slow and steady progress, Harper believes he has a historic opportunity in the suburbs to change the country's voting traditions. The objective is to replace the Liberals as the naturally governing party for generations to come.

    He has designed this budget, like the one before it, as a step down that road. Armed with it, Harper believes he will succeed in persuading more and more suburban residents to support his Conservatives whenever the next election is held.




    Summary-- Canadian Conservative minority government produces a budget with spending for everyone and money for most causes. It has nothing that would appeal to the most conservative voters but instead tries to stake the government squarely across the middle to appeal to suburban voters.

    Note that only one of three opposition parties (the Bloc) has said it will support the budget and this alone would ensure the government survives. THis budget has so very much money for Quebec that the Bloc does not want to be seen as opposing this as it could peeve Quebec votersw and have implications for the provincial election
    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

  • #2
    Oh and my personal view?


    The budget seems to be too much an election type budget for me. Money for everyone and everything to buy support. IT actually reminds me in many ways of the Liberals budget approach and is in no way a fiscally conservative budget. It seems these Conservatives are trying to squeeze out the Liberals in the centre ( by being the LIberals on most issues just with no recent history of corruption and a more articulate leader)

    That said, I like most of the measures. If charging the guy an extra 4000 tax on a Hummer gets someone lese a 2000 rebate on a Prius, that sounds good to me. Plus there are a number of tax measures that will save me money . .. .

    Overall I am pretty satisfied-- I would have liked to see them control spending a bit better but I guess I can't complain that they are actually SAYING what they will do with all the money instead of racking up a huge surplus and then just doing a bunch of spending later
    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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    • #3
      BUdget highlights can be found here

      You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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      • #4
        What I think is it's hilarious Toronto thinks they're going to get over $6B to build a massive network of streetcars, and want the feds to pay for most of it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Asher
          What I think is it's hilarious Toronto thinks they're going to get over $6B to build a massive network of streetcars, and want the feds to pay for most of it.
          Asher from the feedback so far it sounds as if EVERYBODY wanted even more of EVERYTHING. Calgary as well was moaning about the lack of transit money IIRC.

          Personally I think more funding for transit didn't make the grade since the same amount of money could be used to do ten or fifteen smaller cheaper things which are very visible.

          MY only surprise was that I thought they might try to find a way to drop personal income taxes one percent to match what the Liberals did and the Conservatives rolled back last year. BUt instead they just did a bunch of more targetted things.
          You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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          • #6
            (BANK)
            What?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Richelieu
              (BANK)
              yup

              The SUN newspaper refers to Harper as the "Money Bunny" while the Post has a cartoon of Harper on the front page handing out cash in a park with the caption saying something like "Here, have some of our campaign literature"
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              • #8
                And yet I still lost more money due to taxes on income trusts than any of this gives back
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                • #9
                  I wonder how well this strategy will work in Canada. In the US, this strategy led to the GOP faithful losing faith and the party being voted out of power.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    You're not the only one, Victor. I'm an old guy whose children have grown up and I can see nothing in this budget that does anything for me.

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                    • #11
                      DanS

                      The difference is that he had a massive surplus to deal with, so it makes sense to redistribute it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Victor Galis
                        And yet I still lost more money due to taxes on income trusts than any of this gives back

                        While I sympathyze, any financial planning strategy that was based on a tax loophole is fundamentally faulty. Bottom line for me on the trusts was that they HAD to be taxed. Otherwise the next trusts would have been some huge oil companies and some of the chartered banks with just huge losses in tax revenue.

                        I blame Harper to the extent he promised otherwise but as a policy, the trusts had to be taxed IMHO. Their status had grown to the point that the traditional corporate structure was almost doomed to extinction
                        You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Peter Triggs
                          You're not the only one, Victor. I'm an old guy whose children have grown up and I can see nothing in this budget that does anything for me.
                          Hmm

                          delay in converting RRSP to RIF
                          pension splitting ( announced before I know)
                          Collect pension while still working ??

                          There is some "old guy" stuff there

                          PLus more money to the provinces for things like health care and environmental stuff etc etc etc

                          They spent so much money on so much stuff that there must be SOMETHING that impacts you
                          You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            I wonder how well this strategy will work in Canada. In the US, this strategy led to the GOP faithful losing faith and the party being voted out of power.
                            Did they lose their "base" though? I thought they were pretty staunch and its difficult to see a true-right-winger voting for the Democrats
                            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                            • #15
                              The Bloc Quebecois is doing it's job
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