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    from the WaPo:

    Le Pen Joins Volatile Race For French Presidency

    By John Ward Anderson and Molly Moore
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Thursday, March 15, 2007; A12


    PARIS, March 14 -- Jean-Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigration politician who stunned France and the world by finishing second in this country's 2002 presidential contest, formally placed his name on this year's ballot Wednesday, adding new uncertainty to an increasingly volatile campaign.

    Barely six weeks from the April 22 vote, the French election has become close and unpredictable. The two longtime front-runners -- Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, candidate of the ruling Union for a Popular Movement party, and Socialist Party nominee Ségolène Royal, who is vying to become the first female president of France -- are facing a challenge from the surging campaign of François Bayrou of the Union for French Democracy.

    Polls indicate Bayrou is sapping support from both Sarkozy and Royal and has transformed the election into a three-way contest. In a survey published Sunday by the weekly newspaper Journal du Dimanche, Sarkozy was favored by 28 percent of the respondents, Royal and Bayrou by 23 percent each, and Le Pen by 13 percent.

    Daily tracking polls by other organizations this week show similar percentages. Those numbers, however, reflect voters who have made up their minds, and polls indicate that as many as 40 percent of potential voters have not.

    The two candidates with the highest percentage of votes on April 22 will compete in a May 6 runoff for the presidency.

    While most pollsters and political analysts say they don't expect the 78-year-old Le Pen to win a runoff position this year, they suggest that his candidacy will have a major impact on the race's outcome because he will likely lure voters away from Sarkozy.

    "Normally Le Pen improves in the last two weeks of the campaign," said Pierre Giacometti, head of Ipsos polling company, noting that Le Pen almost doubled his support in the final months of the 2002 campaign, going from 9 to 17 percent. If that happens again, he said, "it's clear that would be very bad for Sarkozy."

    When Le Pen arrived at the Constitutional Council on Wednesday to submit his required documents with the endorsement signatures of at least 500 public officials, he was greeted by supporters shouting, "Vive Le Pen!" and opponents who booed, whistled and screamed, "Le Pen Nazi!"

    "We've gone through the hardest part," Le Pen said. "Getting the 500 signatures was very tough."

    The complete presidential field, which could total a dozen or more candidates, is scheduled to be formally announced on Monday.

    The volatility of the French campaign in its final weeks is a reflection of increasing voter frustration with the two candidates who have been leading the race for months -- Sarkozy, 52, and Royal, 53. Pollsters and political analysts say many voters are afraid of Sarkozy and his tough stands on such issues as immigration and law and order, and are concerned about gaffes by Royal suggesting she may not be up to the job of president.

    Bayrou, 55, has in the past worked with the country's ruling bloc, inheritor of the nationalist mantle of Charles de Gaulle. Bayrou made a previous run for the presidency and is now attempting to capitalize on the disillusionment with the candidates offered by the two largest parties.

    Bayrou has portrayed himself as an alternative for voters unhappy with the personalities or politics of Sarkozy and Royal. He has said he favors business reforms and reduction of the French debt, yet would maintain the country's strong social services network. He has said he would include people from all major parties in his cabinet.

    But voters have been drawn to him less for his policy positions, which often are amorphous, than for his image as an honest, straightforward politician. His rankings have shot up by at least 10 percent in most polls in the past month, though his support base remains softer than those of the two leading candidates.

    Of all the candidates, Le Pen has the most fiercely loyal followers, many of whom will not admit their support to pollsters. That is one reason why Le Pen's opponents view his candidacy with such concern; he usually wins a higher percentage of votes than surveys initially indicate.

    Although he was a lone wolf in the 2002 campaign, denouncing immigration and espousing protectionist social and trade policies, many of his views became part of mainstream political debate after violence and arson swept the country's suburban slums, populated largely by immigrants and their French-born offspring, in the fall of 2005.

    But many French are appalled by what they consider to be Le Pen's racist and anti-Semitic views. He has been convicted of calling the Nazi gas chambers "a detail" of World War II -- Holocaust denial is a crime in France -- and for inciting racial hatred by saying France was in danger of being overrun by Muslims.

    He has tried to improve his image with campaign posters that show him walking with a group that includes a black woman, under the slogan, "Together, Let's Lift France Back Up."


    Spiffor would have us believe (and I don't really doubt him) that Sarkozy would love nothing more to write away immigrants' rights - and then everyone else's in due course. Isn't the whole anti-immigrant thing Le Pen's shtick? Will Sarkozy successfully coopt Le Pen's agenda or will Le Pen steal some of Sarkozy's base?

  • #2
    I'm voting for Sarkozy.
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    ASHER FOR CEO!!
    GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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    • #3
      When Le Pen arrived at the Constitutional Council on Wednesday to submit his required documents with the endorsement signatures of at least 500 public officials, he was greeted by supporters shouting, "Vive Le Pen!" and opponents who booed, whistled and screamed, "Le Pen Nazi!"
      They changed the rules for becoming a candidate in order to specifically target Le Pen out. Sad to see he still made it.

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      • #4
        Sounds like great news for Royal!
        "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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        • #5
          The rule is that Le Pen, everybody else, needs 500 local elected leaders (mayors mostly) "supporting" him, all across the territory.

          Getting those 500 "signatures" is easy when your party has many elected people, i.e when there are enough localities where you have a majority. There are 36,000 mayors in France. However, when your party is a strong minority everywhere, but isn't a majority anywhere (like Le Pen's), you have trouble finding the signatures.

          Since there are several candidates who have trouble getting the sigs, the rule has been changed so that they have more time to find them. And Sarkozy recently asked his mayors to fill the lack of sigs for Le Pen, and for a far-left candidate (Besancenot)

          I'm not sad to see he made it. When you consistently account for at least 15% of the voters for 20 years, keeping you out would be anti-democratic to the extreme.
          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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          • #6
            Spiffor would have us believe (and I don't really doubt him) that Sarkozy would love nothing more to write away immigrants' rights - and then everyone else's in due course.

            Just a precision about everyone else's rights. I don't think it's Sarkozy's vision. And I don't think it's specific to him. However, we are living in a climate such that curbing our rights will always seem "the best thing to do". And it'll go faster with Sarkozy than with Bayrou or Royal (who have a strong pro-rights lobby in their parties)

            Isn't the whole anti-immigrant thing Le Pen's shtick? Will Sarkozy successfully coopt Le Pen's agenda or will Le Pen steal some of Sarkozy's base?

            Coopting Le Pen's base has been a strategy of Sarkozy for years. He sees himself as the one who can bring back those 15% to the mainstream, by not ignoring their wishes.
            However, the voters of Le Pen aren't only interested in his anti-immigrant, law & order stance. Le Pen woos:
            - anti-Europeans, whereas Sarkozy is strongly pro-EU
            - protectionnists, whereas Sarkozy is for laissez-faire
            - identitarian/racist voters, whereas Sarkozy wants AA for our blacks and Arabs, and wants Islam to be integrated. he's also often considered as a Jew by antisemites
            - protest voters, who would never vote for the rotten politicians, and want to piss them off.

            For all those reasons, wooing them won't be easy. Just luring them with a law & order and anti-immigrant stance won't cut it. This is why Sarkozy tried to woo the centre's votes at the beginning of the campaign, by appearing softer.
            However, the rise to prominence of the centre's candidate, Bayrou, forces Sarkozy to try finding his votes back into Le Pen's pocket. This is why he now wants to create a ministry of "Immigration and National Identity", and has put the focus more on law and order issues recently.
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Spiffor

              The rule is that Le Pen, everybody else, needs 500 local elected leaders (mayors mostly) "supporting" him, all across the territory.

              Getting those 500 "signatures" is easy when your party has many elected people, i.e when there are enough localities where you have a majority. There are 36,000 mayors in France. However, when your party is a strong minority everywhere, but isn't a majority anywhere (like Le Pen's), you have trouble finding the signatures.

              Since there are several candidates who have trouble getting the sigs, the rule has been changed so that they have more time to find them. And Sarkozy recently asked his mayors to fill the lack of sigs for Le Pen, and for a far-left candidate (Besancenot)

              I'm not sad to see he made it. When you consistently account for at least 15% of the voters for 20 years, keeping you out would be anti-democratic to the extreme.
              The change was that the support lists were made public, hence party bosses of the main parties know which officials of their party gave their support for Le Pen.

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              • #8
                Indeed. But getting the sigs has always been difficult for Le Pen, or at least that's what he has always said during the campaigns.
                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                • #9
                  There are two concurrent theories on the issue of Le Pen's signature. The first one is that he tries to make it look as if he had difficulties getting them, thus appearing as a "victim" for being the voice of the people.

                  The other is that the cost of Le Pen not running would be disastrous for the big parties, hence their relative cooperation.

                  Whether he lied for political purposes, or really needed Sarkozy's help is unclear.
                  In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                  • #10
                    i would like to see a french president who is euro-sceptic, other than that, i don't really care.
                    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                    • #11
                      Non sequitur?

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                      • #12
                        Can you think of another reason for changing the rules so that the approval lists were made public? Hell, can you think of any reason to put up a process of gaining required, official approval from mid-level public officials in order to gain admission in a presidential election?

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                        • #13
                          The "sad to see" bit was what I was getting at. I think it's a good thing when the foes of democracy are foiled.

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                          • #14
                            Ah, well "non sequitur" makes sense in a literal way. I don't like Le Pen and he has no chances of winning the second round so I'm a bit depressed to see that he got in. It's a personal opinion of mine and has no relation to the sentence before it.

                            I suppose I should've put them in different paragraphs...

                            I think it's a good thing when the foes of democracy are foiled.
                            Yeah, me too. Too bad this didn't or isn't causing any backlash among Spiffor and people like him. It's seen as a politically legitimate way for keeping people with wrong opinions out. Stuff like this wouldn't work in America.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by VJ
                              Yeah, me too. Too bad this didn't or isn't causing any backlash among Spiffor and people like him. It's seen as a politically legitimate way for keeping people with wrong opinions out. Stuff like this wouldn't work in America.
                              You mean the publicization of signatures?

                              Actually, there's a ruckus on the topic right now in France. Everybody suggests we change the system. In most likelihood, would-be candidates will need signatures from ordinary citizens next time.


                              And the publicization of signatures wasn't aimed solely at Le Pen. It was established after 2002, when the hysteria was about the presence of too many candidates. It was supposed to prevent extra-small parties to present a candidate. However, with the new system, some legitimate candidates almost didn't make it, while at least one very small candidate did (because he styles himself as "the candidate of the mayors")
                              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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