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  • Calderon tells Bush Mexico needs more

    "What else can we have for free?"
    Have i said lately that Mexico sucks root? No?
    It sucks root, hard.

    By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
    27 minutes ago

    MERIDA, Mexico -
    President Bush, working to rebuild strained U.S.-Mexico relations, promised Tuesday he would do his best to get a deeply divided U.S. Congress to change American immigration policies that are hated south of the border.

    "My pledge to you and your government, but more important to the people of Mexico, is I'll work as hard as I possibly can to pass comprehensive immigration reform," Bush said during a sun-splashed arrival ceremony that opened two days of meetings with Mexican President Felipe Calderon in this Yucatan Peninsula tourist haven.

    Relations between the two border countries have only grown worse since Bush signed a law calling for construction of more than 700 miles of new fencing along the long border the two countries share.

    Calderon has lambasted the fence — a mix of physical and high-tech barriers. He likens it to the Berlin Wall, and argues that both countries need to improve Mexico's economy to lessen the desire to seek work in the United States.

    Before their talks, Calderon had a tough message for Bush: The United States must do more to solve thorny issues of drug-trafficking and immigration.

    He was gentler at Bush's side, but with the same message.

    "We fully respect the right that the government and the people of the United States has to decide within its territory what will be best for their concerns and security," he said as he welcomed Bush. "But at the same time we do consider in a respectful way that" migration can't be stopped with a fence.

    At the same time, Calderon said much responsibility lies with his government.

    "Mexicans lose in each migrant the best of our people — young people, working people ... strong people," he said. "We want to generate jobs for Mexicans here in Mexico. Because that is the only way to truly solve the migratory issue."

    Calderon said "we wish the best of successes" to Bush as he deals with Congress on the politically tricky issue.

    Bush said he respected Calderon's views, and signaled the importance he places on the U.S.-Mexico relationship.

    The two also brought up narcotrafficking — an issue Bush thinks needs to be tackled regionally.

    Calderon also is critical of the Bush administration's efforts to stem the flow of drugs into the United States.

    "We need the collaboration and the active participation of our neighbor," he said Tuesday. "Knowing that while we will not reduce the demand for drugs in a certain area, it will be very difficult to reduce the supply in ours."

    Security was extremely tight in Merida. Schools are closed. The area around the hotels where Bush and Calderon are staying is guarded by police and surrounded by metal barriers. Before Bush's arrival Monday evening, about 200 people marched through the streets, carrying Mexican flags and chanting "Bush is a murderer and he's not welcome!"

    Gerardo Fernandez, a spokesman for Mexico's leftist Democratic Revolution Party, arrived in Merida on Monday with a bag of toy soldiers he wanted to leave at Bush's hotel so he could "play war and leave the world alone." When he couldn't get through security, he climbed a rusty metal barrier and threw the plastic troops into the secured area.

    When he first became president, Bush promised that Latin American would vault to the top of his agenda. But after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the administration's focus was riveted on South Asia and the Middle East. That left many Mexicans feeling neglected by their northern neighbor, and some view Bush's trip as a case of too little, too late.

    Bush and Calderon's two days of talks are meant to better relations, not yield dramatic announcements.

    The two have some things in common. Both went to Harvard University. Both are conservative and pro-business. Each wants to stem illegal immigration. Yet Calderon has a more wonkish and less charismatic personality than his predecessor Vincente Fox, who like Bush, owned a ranch.

    Bush's five-nation tour of Latin America also is acting as a counterweight to Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's leftist leader who is carrying the flag for the leftward shift in Latin America.

    Calderon, a conservative who narrowly won the contested July election, is under pressure from a strong leftist opposition to alleviate poverty affecting half of Mexico's citizens, and refrain from being a subordinate to the more powerful United States. The Mexican leader has said he's not interested in being Bush's front man for battling Chavez' rising influence.

    Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia and Guatemala were the first four stops on Bush's trip that began last week. He returns on Wednesday to Washington, reinvigorated to press Democrats and Republicans to overhaul U.S. immigration law. Bush is hoping that a measure will materialize by August — before spending bills begin to crowd the legislative calendar.

    The biggest hurdle, Bush said, is figuring out what to do with the 12 million illegal immigrants already in the United States. The president has proposed a guest worker plan that would allow legal employment for foreigners and give some illegals a shot at becoming American citizens. Critics say this rewards unlawful behavior.
    Gee whiz. Do you think so?
    At least Calderon wants to keep workers in Mexico. I want him to have them.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

  • #2
    Mexicans have some nerve

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    • #3
      Before their talks, Calderon had a tough message for Bush: The United States must do more to solve thorny issues of drug-trafficking and immigration.
      Bush should have asked him to do more about the corruption and infiltration of criminal drug gangs. Also challenge him to create an economy that doesn't force people to die in our deserts looking to escape Mexico.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        Now that Bush is south of the border, we should quickly finish that damn wall.

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        • #5
          Mexico can kiss my ass

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          • #6
            Maybe Bush should work as hard to improve America as he does to improve other countries.

            And no, this doesn't make me one of you pinko commie euroscum loving hippie apolytoners that believes the world's ills are caused by Bush and America.

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            • #7
              That's why he's there. If he can keep Mexicans in Mexico, it helps us.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #8
                If he really wanted to keep Mexicans in Mexico he would have built the Great Wall of America by now and he would have booted all the illegal immigrants that are here. He also would allow the national guard to engage the god damn idiots firing on them on the border. He never would have introduced his amnesty legislation. Bush has been a disaster on immigration and many other things.

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                • #9
                  Erm, Sloww, Bush is not anti-immigration or pro-evicting immigrants, illegal or not. If you haven't noticed he's fairly pro-amnesty...

                  I just wish people would react to the above comments with the same ferocity as they react to anti-semitic comments. You can be all for preventing illegal immigration, but far too many people are, as I have to think both of the above posters are, anti-hispanic, not just in favor of stopping illegal immigration.

                  You all would harangue France for being anti-Muslim (which is essentially anti-Turk), but have the exact same opinions and practices here against Mexicans...
                  <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                  I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by snoopy369
                    If you haven't noticed he's fairly pro-amnesty...
                    No, he's not. Or at least that's not what he's argueing for.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      While he's got their attentintion diverted, I have crews down there preparing the wall site.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #12
                        I'm in favor of France's anti-Muslim policies. The fact is Islam runs contrary to Western ideals. I for one do not ever want to see girls having to cover their hair and faces or see their independence revoked. Islam just disgusts me.

                        As for the anti-hispanic thing...I have nothing against hispanics, but I do have something against the Spanish language. I simply hate it and I hate the way spanish speakers feel we should be accomodating them. If you come to this country you should learn English. I also hate illegal immigrants, whether they're from europe or from south of the border. We're a nation of laws and when people are given an exemption to those laws I can't help but feel cheated as I'm sure many people do who have entered here legally and respected our laws. Mexicans don't respect our laws or our language, therefore I am anti-Mexican.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc No, he's not. Or at least that's not what he's argueing for.
                          Yes, he is. If he weren't pro-amnesty there would be a mass deportation of the law breakers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zkribbler
                            Now that Bush is south of the border, we should quickly finish that damn wall.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #15
                              Bush is pro-amnesty, but he is not stupid enough to push it - it wouldn't fly politically and would harm the realistic proposals that will help our country.

                              Drix, the problem I have with your viewpoint is it's essentially identical to the European anti-semitic arguments in the late 19th/early 20th century. Except you don't suggest Mexicans eat our children I hope

                              Mexicans by and large do respect our laws, and I don't see why they should 'respect' our language. They should learn to speak it; certainly they need to in order to get a decent job in this country. But I hardly think Americans have any right to complain here; practically none of us speak other languages, and thus are annoying tourists and even more irritating immigrants when we emigrate. We put signs and government forms in Spanish (and Chinese, and Polish, and whatever language is needed) to enable the poorest citizens, who can't afford to take the time to learn the language properly.

                              This is why we have a government, to look out for the little guy. How does it hurt you to have signs and forms printed in Spanish? Does the language hurt your eyes? It costs little to nothing, far less than these people contribute to our economy and our tax base (and illegal immigrants pay plenty of taxes, even those that are not on payroll tax lists, through sales taxes and such).

                              A few Mexicans might break our laws to come over here; but not all of them by any measure, and implying that they as a group have no respect for our laws is like suggesting Americans have no respect for other countries' laws because of a few (hundred) bad eggs.

                              Frankly, illegal immigration is a case of supply and demand, and the fact that we don't have a legal way to deal with it is entirely the fault of folks like you who oppose Mexicans as a group and want them out of the country, instead of dealing with the fact that ... we have jobs that they fill, and without them our country doesn't run. We simply don't have enough people wanting the jobs they do, and an economy dies when it can't fill the lower end jobs. Our unemployment is a combination of non-job-seeking unemployment, and semi- to high-skilled unemployment. Add that to the fact that our unemployment rate is actually quite low, and nearly low enough to stifle growth, and you'll see why economists don't object to Mexican immigrants of any legality.

                              What amuses me even more, of course, are the legions of people who download music/movies/etc. illegally, jaywalk, speed, and such, while complaining about illegal immigration. In terms of harm to society, all of the above do more harm than illegal immigration (particularly piracy), yet are seen as "okay" by a lot of people, while of course illegal immigration is horrible and wrong and must be stopped RIGHT NOW.

                              :sigh:
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                              I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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