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  • #16
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    I agree with you then. This thread is pointless if that is the case..
    It's already served its purpose.

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    • #17
      I'm still trying to work out what terrorism's got to do with it though.
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      • #18
        I note that NAFTA was signed in 1994 when Democrats controlled both Congress and the Presidency.


        That sensible version of the Democratic Party is dead. People like you helped kill it.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          It's already served its purpose.
          You should have recast the line a couple times. There are bigger fish on Poly than the couple who bit.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Doddler
            I'm still trying to work out what terrorism's got to do with it though.
            The Democrats engaged in a bit of race baiting when a Dubai company wanted to take over port operations from a Brit company. Claimed all muslims are terrorists or some silly crap like that.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              The Democrats engaged in a bit of race baiting when a Dubai company wanted to take over port operations from a Brit company. Claimed all muslims are terrorists or some silly crap like that.
              What was the race baiting?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                I note that NAFTA was signed in 1994 when Democrats controlled both Congress and the Presidency.


                That sensible version of the Democratic Party is dead. People like you helped kill it.
                Nonsense. That's just BAM. Democrats are less inclined to protectionism then ever because the power of the big unions is lower then ever.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Doddler


                  What was the race baiting?
                  Looking for pointers?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    I note that NAFTA was signed in 1994 when Democrats controlled both Congress and the Presidency.
                    Clinton ran against it.

                    In the Senate vote slightly more than half the Democrats voted nay. The yeh's were 34 Republican and 27 Democrats.

                    From the outside, America's trade partners get nervous when Democrats are calling the shots.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by joncha


                      Looking for pointers?
                      Got plenty thanks

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                      • #26
                        Too many of them are coloured.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by notyoueither


                          Clinton ran against it.

                          In the Senate vote slightly more than half the Democrats voted nay. The yeh's were 34 Republican and 27 Democrats.
                          Clinton never the less signed it and even campaigned for it once he was in office. To get elected politicians will say just about anything but you need to watch what they do in office to see what they really believe.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Oerdin

                            Clinton never the less signed it and even campaigned for it once he was in office. To get elected politicians will say just about anything but you need to watch what they do in office to see what they really believe.
                            And what do/did Democrats believe? Over half of them in the Senate were against NAFTA even after Clinton got side agreements regarding the environment and labour.

                            The Democrats simply don't have good 'cred' on this topic outside of the US.
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                            • #29
                              Democrats are less inclined to protectionism then ever because the power of the big unions is lower then ever.


                              Unfortunately, the power of the anti-free trade netroots is growing.
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                              • #30
                                As a party they do want freer trade (after all corporate donations are where the big money is these days) but they tend to want to qualify it. Qualify it by tying it to improvements in labor laws, improvements in environmental practices, etc... Yes, there are still the paleo-dems who are still trying to recreate the 1960's but they're a minority.

                                You have to remember in 1994 there were a lot more manufacturing jobs and union members then now so unions had more pull plus two years before Ross Perot had spent millions whipping people into a lathered frenzy of fear about Mexico stealing our jobs unless we created more protectionist barriers to trade. I believe you'll find the climate very different in 2007 compared to 1994 and even in 1994 Clinton still lobbied for NAFTA and got it passed. At the time it was even sold as an example of bipartisanship since Clinton crossed the aisle to get the thing passed.
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