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  • The problem with Kyoto: case Alberta

    Province's 'carbon tax' blasted
    Environmentalists agree with industry that new policy is unfair -- and it won't lead to a reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions

    Paul Marck, The Edmonton Journal
    Published: Saturday, March 10, 2007

    EDMONTON - Chemical producers and environmentalists alike are blasting the Stelmach government's new greenhouse-gas emissions policy.

    The Pembina Institute for environmental policy and research says the new legislation is ineffective, shortchanging both the public and industry.

    The chemical companies call Bill 3 a carbon tax, while Alberta's power producers praise it.

    Pending legislation calls for companies to reduce their emissions intensity by 12 per cent by July 1 -- or pay into a climate-change fund. Companies have until year's end to report on their progress.

    The Canadian Chemical Producers' Association says Alberta essentially penalizes both responsible companies and laggards indiscriminately.

    Association president Richard Paton says there is no time for companies to make technology improvements before the end of 2007.

    "Instead, Alberta companies will have to start paying into a fund, which is essentially a carbon tax," Paton said. "Unless you shut down production, there is no way to reduce emissions in a dramatic way overnight."

    Gordon Lloyd, the association's vice-president of technical affairs, says the chemical industry in Canada has reduced greenhouse-gas emissions by 56 per cent since 1992, when the first global conferences on climate change called for action.

    "We were astonished Alberta ignored that," Lloyd said. "We were very surprised that they came up with that formula."

    The association predicts that some of its members will not make the grade in reducing emissions intensity -- the amount of greenhouse gases per production unit -- by 12 per cent by year's end.

    "What we did in reducing our emissions seemed to be the right thing to do, but now we're being penalized," said Lloyd.

    The association's members include such Alberta companies as Shell, Nova, INEOS Canada Partners, ME Global, Imperial Oil and Dow Chemicals.

    The Pembina Institute says Alberta's pending legislation does little to address the problem of growing greenhouse gas because it's about measuring emission intensity, rather than putting in real limits.

    "Really, it's a joke. There is nothing here that is going to lead to a reduction in emissions," said spokesman Jaisel Vadgama. "It's very confusing to the public."

    The institute estimates the climate-change fund will raise $174 million in its first six months and terms that amount as ineffectual. All the same, many companies will end up paying the penalty of $15 per tonne for failing to meet reduction targets because the government is not giving industry enough time to invest in technology change, Vadgama said.

    "There's an expectation in the first period, it's likely that many companies will be doing that. We're in a situation where we're not going to get any real reductions, and we're pointing everything in the wrong direction, where we haven't set up this framework that creates a stable plan that lets companies start investing. It's just dragging out the period of uncertainty."

    Meanwhile, Alberta's power companies say they're prepared for the new green standard. They will use a combination of offsets, paying into the climate-change fund and advancing their own technologies.

    "These are real tough targets. There's going to be just as tough an effort meet them," said Don Wharton, director of sustainable development for TransAlta.

    While targets will present a significant challenge to industry, power companies have worked on strategies for years prior to the government's actions, Wharton said.

    "We're relieved that we have some regulatory certainty, which has been missing for the last decade," Wharton said.

    The result likely means higher costs for both industry and consumers, but there are no estimates as to how much, Wharton said.

    EPCOR president Don Lowry says the power company has recognized for a long time that greener technologies will be an integral part of its operations. Last year, EPCOR invested $11 million, which was matched by the provincial government, into its Genesee G3 plant to study clean-coal techniques.

    That kind of continuing investment will eventually pay off in getting energy out of coal without burning it, he said.

    In the meantime, carbon dioxide sequestration and the federal government's announcement of a $156-million joint task force with Alberta in a CO2 pipeline and storage network will help launch other new technologies, Lowry said.

    All the same, commercialized clean-coal technology does not yet exist.

    EPCOR will pay into the climate-change fund with expectations that it will accelerate development of greener processes.

    EPCOR does not expect to meet this year's deadlines for reducing greenhouse-gas emission intensity. "I don't think we can meet it by year end. But it's very early days to speculate, until we've had a chance to look at how the program works and how it's measured. The devil's in the details."

    But like all the other companies that are gas emitters, EPCOR will crunch the target numbers with hard dollar projections to see what it means.

    "Clearly the vintage of equipment that not just we, but all others, have just physically has limits to its performance capabilities. It's like your car, in terms of the only way you get your car to the next level of fuel efficiency is by buying a new one. It's the same with us. With the power plants, the way we get them to the next level of efficiency to meet these is replacing them."

    pmarck@thejournal.canwest.com

    AT A GLANCE

    Under Bill 3, the Climate Change and Emissions Management Amendment Act, companies that emit more than 100,000 tonnes of greenhouse gases a year must reduce their emissions intensity by July 1, 2007.

    It is expected this regulation will apply to about 100 facilities that make up about 70 per cent of Alberta's industrial emissions.

    Source: Alberta government website


    The Pembina Institute says Alberta's pending legislation does little to address the problem of growing greenhouse gas because it's about measuring emission intensity, rather than putting in real limits.

    "Really, it's a joke. There is nothing here that is going to lead to a reduction in emissions," said spokesman Jaisel Vadgama. "It's very confusing to the public."


    These idiots think that a growing region, with vast untapped resources should just sit still and do nothing. Or better yet, shut down.

    On top of having a rapidly growing population in a cold climate, Alberta is also a major global energy producer. What, leave it in the ground?

    Emmissions intensity is the only way for reductions to move forward in growing economies. To expect a region, or country, that is growing in population and industry to remain below an absolute baseline is wingnut enough to discredit the cause.
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    And the phrase wingnut continues its march towards mainstream use at Apolyton.
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    • #3
      wingnuts

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      • #4
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        • #5
          It's a very poor scheme to cut CO2 emissions, which is itself a very poor choice in trying to address a world problem. There are tens of problems we should address before trying to affect our climate without knowing what we are doing.
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          • #6
            The GoA is trying to head the GoC off at the pass. I've seen it reported that Alberta accounts for 40% of Canadian industrial CO2 output (not surprising given the oilsands). Oilsands production is slated to quadruple from current levels.

            The provisions of the legislation mandate that any penalties paid (offsets or payments into a technology fund) have to be spent in Alberta. This is a marked improvement over Kyoto and shipping off boat-loads of cash to projects in China in the shadow of dirty coal plants, in my opinion.

            And why is it poor to require a reduction in intenxity? That is the way forward, outside of regressing to an agrarian society, is it not?

            Edit: the penalties paid will fund research into improvements, and I doubt research will be limited to GHG emmissions. I think it's a good thing that both the wingnuts from the left and from some industries are crying over this. Stelmach probably got it right. I'm starting to like that guy.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              And the phrase wingnut continues its march towards mainstream use at Apolyton.
              The proper use, yes.
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              • #8
                Canada is for global warming because it will destroy American and make Canada livable.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  Canada is for global warming because it will destroy America and make more of Canada livable.
                  Corrected for spelling and content.
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                  • #10
                    Although, what global warming will do to rid us of the blights that are Toronto and Calgary remains unclear.
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                    • #11
                      Let me explain, based on my understanding, why this is grossly unfair.

                      Let's say you have two companies, A and B. In, let's say 2000, both produced 100 in emissions per unit of whatever they make. Since then A has been responsible and cut that to 80, while B hasn't done anything. Now you pass this law and you expect:

                      A to cut emissions to 70.4 and B to cut emissions to 80 by the end of the year. Now, A is going to have a rougher time since they already made improvements and their baseline will be lower. B can just make the improvements A made, while A has to go above and beyond.

                      Now the worst part is, they have less than one year to come up with something of pay fines. Most structural changes that lead to permanent reductions may take longer to implement.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by notyoueither
                        Although, what global warming will do to rid us of the blights that are Toronto and Calgary remains unclear.
                        As the average global temperature rises, it will melt the permafrost underneath both cities, causing them to sink beneath the ground. Also, rising sea levels will drown them, but with water instead of US Americans illegally fleeing north across your border with us to escape the Mexicans illegally fleeing north across our border with them to escape the killer bees that will evolved into man-sized hunter-gatherers ... well, mostly they'll hunt Humans, but anyway their size will be a good enough reason to flee.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                          Canada is for global warming because it will destroy American and make Canada livable.
                          Absurd. Impossible. Unless you remove the Canadians.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by notyoueither
                            Although, what global warming will do to rid us of the blights that are Toronto and Calgary remains unclear.
                            You're so ungrateful to your once and future masters.
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                            • #15
                              Re: The problem with Kyoto: case Alberta

                              Originally posted by notyoueither
                              shut down.
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                              Do It Ourselves

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