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    The Theory of the Leisure Class

    An economic mystery: Why do the poor seem to have more free time than the rich?

    By Steven E. Landsburg
    Posted Friday, March 9, 2007, at 1:23 PM ET

    As you've probably heard, there's been an explosion of inequality in the United States over the past four decades. The gap between high-skilled and low-skilled workers is bigger than ever before, and it continues to grow.

    How can we close the gap? Well, I suppose we could round up a bunch of assembly-line workers and force them to mow the lawns of corporate vice presidents. Because the gap I'm talking about is the gap in leisure time, and it's the least educated who are pulling ahead.

    In 1965, leisure was pretty much equally distributed across classes. People of the same age, sex, and family size tended to have about the same amount of leisure, regardless of their socioeconomic status. But since then, two things have happened. First, leisure (like income) has increased dramatically across the board. Second, though everyone's a winner, the biggest winners are at the bottom of the socieconomic ladder.

    To quantify those changes, you've got to decide exactly what leisure means. You can start by deciding what it's not. Surely working at your desk or on the assembly line is not leisure. Neither is cleaning or ironing. But what about standing around the water cooler, riding the train to work, gardening, pet care, or tinkering with your car? What about playing board games with your children?

    Those are judgment calls, but it turns out not to matter very much what calls you make. When professors Mark Aguiar and Erik Hurst combined the results of several large surveys (including studies where randomly chosen subjects kept detailed time diaries), they found that by any definition, the trends are clear.

    In 1965, the average man spent 42 hours a week working at the office or the factory; throw in coffee breaks, lunch breaks, and commuting time, and you're up to 51 hours. Today, instead of spending 42 and 51 hours, he spends 36 and 40. What's he doing with all that extra time? He spends a little on shopping, a little on housework, and a lot on watching TV, reading the newspaper, going to parties, relaxing, going to bars, playing golf, surfing the Web, visiting friends, and having sex. Overall, depending on exactly what you count, he's got an extra six to eight hours a week of leisure—call it the equivalent of nine extra weeks of vacation per year.

    For women, time spent on the job is up from 17 hours a week to 24. With breaks and commuting thrown in, it's up from 20 hours to 26. But time spent on household chores is down from 35 hours a week to 22, for a net leisure gain of four to six hours. Call it five extra vacation weeks.

    A small part of those gains is because of demographic change. The average American is older now and has fewer children, so it's not surprising that he or she works less. But even when you compare modern Americans to their 1965 counterparts—people with the same family size, age, and education—the gains are still on the order of 4 to 8 hours a week, or something like seven extra weeks of leisure per year.

    But not for everyone. About 10 percent of us are stuck in 1965, leisurewise. At the opposite extreme, 10 percent of us have gained a staggering 14 hours a week or more. (Once again, your gains are measured in comparison to a person who, in 1965, had the same characteristics that you have today.) By and large, the biggest leisure gains have gone precisely to those with the most stagnant incomes—that is, the least skilled and the least educated. And conversely, the smallest leisure gains have been concentrated among the most educated, the same group that's had the biggest gains in income.

    Aguiar and Hurst can't explain fully that rising inequality, just as nobody can explain fully the rising inequality in income. But there are, I think, two important morals here.

    First, man does not live by bread alone. Our happiness depends partly on our incomes, but also on the time we spend with our friends, our hobbies, and our favorite TV shows. So, it's a good exercise in perspective to remember that by and large, the big winners in the income derby have been the small winners in the leisure derby, and vice versa.

    Second, a certain class of pundits and politicians are quick to see any increase in income inequality as a problem that needs fixing—usually through some form of redistributive taxation. Applying the same philosophy to leisure, you could conclude that something must be done to reverse the trends of the past 40 years—say, by rounding up all those folks with extra time on their hands and putting them to (unpaid) work in the kitchens of their "less fortunate" neighbors. If you think it's OK to redistribute income but repellent to redistribute leisure, you might want to ask yourself what—if anything—is the fundamental difference.
    Shall we dance?

    -Arrian
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    Capcom has gone down hill in recent years. Used to be such a good shop.
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    • #3
      Cap >> Com

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      • #4
        It's in issue of opportunity cost. If work sucks and you don't get paid much, you are going to do as little as possible.

        If work has high rewards, you are going to do more of it, because the rewards are higher..

        This leisure time 'gap' will become less important if the income gap is fixed (and I don't necessarily mean by payments.. I think that laws about pay could do the job also). If lawyers were payed 80k a year tops, I gaurantee that they won't work as hard as some do.

        JM
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        • #5
          And if it's Cam vs. Cop :confused
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          • #6
            What is some poor schlub created some additional leisure time and rented it to a capitalist? Is that still exploitation?
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            • #7
              Balance. Thats the key.
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              • #8
                Look at it this way. The extra leisure time is bread and circuses that the rich give the poor so that the poor don't put the rich against the wall.

                If people sitll had to work 70+ hours a week to survive.. and the extra income went to the wealthy... we would see a revolution in America.

                JM
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MRT144
                  Balance. Thats the key.


                  Definitely. I work on this with my wife. She tends towards working too hard, I feel. Of course, it's hard to argue with her salary

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jon Miller
                    Look at it this way. The extra leisure time is bread and circuses that the rich give the poor so that the poor don't put the rich against the wall.

                    If people sitll had to work 70+ hours a week to survive.. and the extra income went to the wealthy... we would see a revolution in America.

                    JM
                    well it raises the question, at what point does money become less valuable than time.
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                    • #11
                      Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. That is to say, it depends on who you ask.

                      For me, I value my leisure time quite a bit. So much so that the idea of taking night classes after work is a non-starter for me. No way am I working a 40 hour week (give or take ) AND going to classes afterwards. Of course, if I had a crappy job and made crappy money I might be more motivated... I don't know.

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        I am taking night classes and working but part of that is because there is a short term sacrifice for a long term gain. I dont want my life to stay in the static income level it is now so I need to go to school.

                        This isnt cap/com, this is personal values and the threshold where you stop valuing money over time.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MRT144


                          well it raises the question, at what point does money become less valuable than time.
                          For me, low wage jobs aren't worth it with respect to my time. If I thought differently, I would get an evening job... (I know people who worked as a bartender or something for a time in graduate school)

                          Actually, even fairly high pay jobs aren't worth it with respect to my time.. (since I sort of have enough to survive)

                          Jon Miller
                          Jon Miller-
                          I AM.CANADIAN
                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                          • #14
                            Most people who have a crappy job just work enough to provide for necessities and to provide for the drugs (alcohol or TV at least) to make life 'worth living'.

                            Working a second crappy job just isn't worth it.. sure you have a little more money, but what is the point to a little more money if you don't have the time to enjoy it?

                            A lot more money though, maybe that would make your life better...

                            Also, wealthy people are more likely to want to keep up with the Jones.

                            JM
                            Jon Miller-
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                            GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                            • #15
                              Capcom has gone down hill in recent years. Used to be such a good shop.


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