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    PRELIMINARY NOTE: In the Orthodox church, it's not unheard of for people to remain "altar boys" for all their lives, which is why the term acolyte is sometimes substituted. In practice, we're little different from subdeacons. And before the lame jokes start, we don't have molesting priests. That would be the Catholics. So I'm still helping out back there, and odd as it sounds, I have a physics question related to my duties.

    Anyway, we use ceremonial fans--big golden disks on the ends of wooden poles. The fans have been used since ancient days, when services were held in private houses with open windows. Back then, the fans were used to, uh, swat flies away from the Eucharist. Seriously. Times have changed, and with the advent of air conditioning the fans are not needed for that purpose, so they've turned a lot more ornate and are used in processions and such.

    A local custom at my church (I haven't encountered it elsewhere) is to have a pair of helpers, whether subdeacons or acolytes, holding the fans out over the Gospel while it's being read. They're held at a 45 degree angle directly over the pages, and I assume there's some religious meaning to it since they must block out a lot of the deacon/priest's reading light. As you might expect, it puts a strain on your arms holding those things up at that angle, especially during long readings like the Prodigal Son. So, dimly remembering my old physics lessons on leverage, I've taken to holding the fan with one hand as close as possible to the disk part and the other as close as possible to the bottom. The idea being to turn the fan's shaft into a big lever holding up the disk, with my upper arm playing the role of the fulcrum. The longer the lever, the easier it is to lift the thing, so I imagine it's to my advantage to hold it lower down.

    It does indeed make things a lot easier for the lower arm, but of course it does nothing for the upper arm. I can't tell if it's gotten any worse for that arm since I started doing this. I have only a vague idea of how levers work (my old engineering teacher's simplistic "transforms distance moved into work" synopses). So, after that long preamble: does a longer lever put extra pressure on its fulcrum point compared to a short one?
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    No.
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    • #3
      It often puts less force, in theory.

      The problem is ergonomics.
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      • #4
        "It's the ergonomy, stupid."
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        AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
        AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
        DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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        • #5
          It's be pronunced stooopid.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by LordShiva
            No.
            Nice of somebody with no clue to answer.
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            • #7
              The real question is where the fan's center of gravity lies.

              Elok, with only your upper hand in place (the one at the top of the shaft) would the bottom of the shaft have a tendency to rotate up or down? In other words, imagine resting the fan on your palm in the place your upper hand usually grabs it. Which end would fall toward the floor?
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              • #8
                Given the description, I think it would become obvious quickly if it wasn't in the disc or very close to it. i.e 'lifting' the disc would require no effort but he says that it does, and he would (I hope) notice the change in the direction of force he is exerting.
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                • #9
                  I'm not sure about that yet. It makes a big difference.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dauphin
                    Given the description, I think it would become obvious quickly if it wasn't in the disc or very close to it. i.e 'lifting' the disc would require no effort but he says that it does, and he would (I hope) notice the change in the direction of force he is exerting.
                    That was my thought, too.
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                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
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                    • #11
                      To help hold it up perhaps you could fashion some sort of harness to wear underneath your robes, and running down your sleeves would be string (or wire or whatever) with something at the end to wrap around the pole (possibly with some sort of fastening - snap or velcro).
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                        I'm not sure about that yet. It makes a big difference.
                        One of two things. Either Elok is unobservant & misleading or you are only thinking about it from a theoretical and not a practical point of view.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lord Avalon
                          To help hold it up perhaps you could fashion some sort of harness to wear underneath your robes, and running down your sleeves would be string (or wire or whatever) with something at the end to wrap around the pole (possibly with some sort of fastening - snap or velcro).
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                          THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                          AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                          AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                          DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                          • #14
                            the real question is, can you take the fan, spin it around yourself, toss it up in the air, catch it , with a broad smile on your face, to music?

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                            • #15
                              potm is in guard? there is no hope left

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