ISRAEL: Most Hated Country in the World?

[MOBIUS]

Or Israel bombing Tunisia, or Israel bombing Iraq - or even Israel systematically dismantling Lebanon as recently as last year...

Those are just the ones off the top of my head...

[alva]

I see old habits die hard.

(see the German stat. )

[EyesOfNight]

Apart from the fact that the creation of the state of Israel by a bunch of land-grabbing Zionists was an attack on the sovereignty of the people who lived there and violently evicted from their homes in the first place...

Remind me again how Muslims came to inhabit the middle east? I'm guessing the power of Allah just made them magically appear there peacefully. The evil jews just had to go in and steal the land from the peaceful muslims who want only to live by their ancient and sacred ways. You're beginning to convert me MOBIUS.

Or Israel bombing Tunisia, or Israel bombing Iraq - or even Israel systematically dismantling Lebanon as recently as last year...

This of course was without provocation...DAMN THE ZIONISTS!! ALLAHUA AKBAR!!! LONG LIVE IRAN!!!

Seriously, if you aren't working for Tehran, I think you have a very bright career in propaganda waiting for you there. You are scum.

[Arrian]

[pchang]

Re: ISRAEL: Most Hated Country in the World?

just by you

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Apart from the fact that the creation of the state of Israel by a bunch of land-grabbing Zionists was an attack on the sovereignty of the people who lived there and violently evicted from their homes in the first place...

There was no sovereign state though, just a province of an empire.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Drixnak
Remind me again how Muslims came to inhabit the middle east? I'm guessing the power of Allah just made them magically appear there peacefully. The evil jews just had to go in and steal the land from the peaceful muslims who want only to live by their ancient and sacred ways. You're beginning to convert me MOBIUS.

OK, I'll bite...

That argument is nothing but hypocrisy, because the Hebrews themselves took the land by conquest!

By your logic, Jews have as little right to the land as Arabs do...

Also, the Kingdoms of Israel were destroyed by Assyrians and Babylonians WELL BEFORE Islam was a twinkling in Mohamed's eye!

Not to mention the Persians, the Greeks, the Ptolemies, the Seleucid, the Romans and the Byzantines...

All this took a thousand years before the Arabs even came on the scene!!! So it's not like they specifically attacked the Jews on purpose when they did anyway. Also they were fairly enlightened with treating the Jews - it was the Christians during their crusades that conducted massacres against the Jews during this period...

In fact, in general, Arabs have cohabited extremely peacefully with Jews (as opposed to how Christians treated them) pretty much up until Zionism reared its ugly head during the early 20th century. As far as I can tell, pretty much all the hatred of the Jews by the Arabs stems entirely from an artificially created nation displacing people who had lived there for well over a thousand years! Zionism stands for a Jewish State, which is intrinsically racist. Zionism stands for apartheid policies. If the Zionists had their way, they would annex at least the whole of '1967 Israel' as their lands, not content with the land that was essentially stolen from its owners in 1948 - but even they know that they couldn't possibly get away with that (even their ***** the US would likely disown them!) so they contented themselves with continuing to increase the sizes of the settlements they intend to keep and abitrarily confiscate yet more land through the building of a new national border in the form of 'The Wall'...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


There was no sovereign state though, just a province of an empire.

Nitpicking. (but I'm glad you acknowledge my other points regarding Israel's unprovoked attacks of its neighbours by failing to address them. )

As a backwater province of a far-flung empire I am sure they enjoyed considerable autonomy. Certainly the empire also followed the same religious beliefs as its subjects' instead of having the views of a foreign religion imposed upon them.

[MOBIUS]

Personally I blame the UK and its stupid Balfour Declaration made in haste during WWI to destabilise the Ottomans almost as much as the opportunism of the Zionists...

[BeBMan]

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by BeBro

[Sava]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


There was no sovereign state though, just a province of an empire.

Nice justification for ethnic cleansing.

Meanwhile the Serbs get bombed by NATO for doing 1/100th what Israel did. And the Serbs were fighting a war within their own borders.

And let me make this perfectly clear again so the mouth breathers don't misinterpret my statements. My problem is with the hypocrisy within the international system. I show no support for either Israel, Serbia, or anyone else. I'm merely bashing the hypocrisy.

One can't call what one country does "ethnic cleansing" and then call the same thing "fighting terrorism" when another country does it. Sorry... but that's bull****.

Not to say the Palestinians haven't perpetrated their own acts of violence, but Israel's atrocities in the last 60 years go far beyond what the Serbs are responsible for.

That's all.

Let the bull**** continue.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Nitpicking. (but I'm glad you acknowledge my other points regarding Israel's unprovoked attacks of its neighbours by failing to address them. )

As a backwater province of a far-flung empire I am sure they enjoyed considerable autonomy. Certainly the empire also followed the same religious beliefs as its subjects' instead of having the views of a foreign religion imposed upon them.

1. Palestine was not a province of the Ottoman empire. There were at least two provinces that included parts of what later became mandate Palestine, and also included other areas

2. These provinces were administered by appointees from the center, and enjoyed no legal autonomy whatsoever.

3. The Ottoman empire was a Sunni Muslim state, ergo it followed the same beliefs as the Sunni Muslim inhabitants of these provinces, but not the Christian, Jewish, or Druze inhabitants.


Please come back when youve actually studies the history of the area.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sava


Nice justification for ethnic cleansing.

You keep referring to Zionist ethnic cleansing without providing a date for it. Without that, its not possible to tell what you are referring to, and how that relates to any alleged hypocrisy.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


OK, I'll bite...

That argument is nothing but hypocrisy, because the Hebrews themselves took the land by conquest!

What historical evidence do you have that the Hebrews took the land by conquest?