Effective interrogation without torture 101

[Ramo]

As I said, if it were as probable as you believe, Uzbek interrogators would've given us the info to kill him a long time ago...

[Drake Tungsten]

You're pretty thoroughly pwned if that's all you have left to fall back on. My work here is done...

[Ramo]

Seeing as how you completely skirted the point, I figure it's a pretty good one to fall back on. But if that's what it takes for you to look yourself in the mirror

[Drake Tungsten]

The rebuttals to your point are so obvious that I'm confident other people can figure them out on their own. I'll chime in later if they really need the help, though.

[Drake Tungsten]

March 1st...

Pakistani security forces have captured a high-ranking Taliban leader in the southwestern city of Quetta, a senior Pakistani security official and Taliban sources said on Thursday.

The capture of Mullah Obaidullah Akhund marked the first time Pakistan had arrested a senior leader of the Islamist militia since it was driven from power in Afghanistan in 2001, and thousands of its fighters fled into Pakistan.

The security official, who requested anonymity, and the Taliban sources said Akhund, the third most senior member of the Taliban's 10-member leadership council, was arrested late on Monday, hours after a surprise visit to Pakistan by U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070301/ts_nm/pakistan_taliban_dc_2

March 5th...

Armed with fresh intelligence, the CIA is moving additional man power and equipment into Pakistan in the effort to find Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al Zawahri, U.S. officials tell ABC News.

"Reports that the trail has gone stone cold are not correct," said one U.S. official. "We are very much increasing our efforts there," the official said.

People familiar with the CIA operation say undercover officers with paramilitary training have been ordered into Pakistan and the area across the border with Afghanistan as part of the ramp-up.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/cia_rushing_res.html

It's a scenario so improbable that it's happening right now!

[Fake Boris]

So have they found him? And how do you know the guy was tortured?

edit: hadn't noticed he was arrested by Pakistan.

[Ramo]

The capture of Mullah Obaidullah Akhund marked the first time Pakistan had arrested a senior leader of the Islamist militia since it was driven from power in Afghanistan in 2001, and thousands of its fighters fled into Pakistan.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Ramo]

This isn't a normal situation that interrogators have to deal with all the time. So you don't institutionalize torture to avoid the inevitable ****loads of false positives.

[Kuciwalker]

It sounds like a fairly common situation, actually. And you forgot the quotes around "torture."

[Drake Tungsten]

It sounds like a fairly common situation, actually. And you forgot the quotes around "torture."

QFT

[Ramo]

Happening once every five and a half years is pretty much the definition of uncommon. And that's assuming that this guy has the goods.

[Ramo]

But yeah, let's toss the both of you into solitary until you give up the goods on your connections to the AQ. I'm sure y'all would handle it easily. It's just a frat prank after all...

[Drake Tungsten]

Happening once every five and a half years is pretty much the definition of uncommon.

You need to read more closely.

[Sirotnikov]

The guy is very much correct about what works best. This is why Israeli authorities and organizations usually use "positive" torture methods - different psychological mind tricks and creating closeness with the detainees. This is very similar to handling foreign agents and moles.

Problem arises when you have very tight time frames, or when some people have gone through rigorous psychological training, which happens sometimes.

Lots of palestinian terrorist associates have been released and have lots of experience in dealing with handlers.

[VetLegion]

Sirotnikov supports torture?