If you're not a criminal/terrorist you have nothing to hide in your computer

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Cue the police-state-istas to march in and tell us that if we don't support the right of the state to have complete access to every aspect and detail of our lives we support the rights of terrorists to kill us all.

I know too many people who have suffered at the hands of REAL police states of different ideological varieties to take you seriously.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
War against Terror. :shrug: Now, who's idea was that?

The Irish?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


I know too many people who have suffered at the hands of REAL police states of different ideological varieties to take you seriously.

Is there any state intrusion into your life you would not oppose on the grounds of security just-in-case-you-were-a-terrorist? Police camera surveillance of your toilet, perhaps? After all, you might have a bomb factory in there.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Is there any state intrusion into your life you would not oppose on the grounds of security just-in-case-you-were-a-terrorist?.

I didnt take issue with you on policy but on rhetoric. I can oppose a civil liberties restriction (and I did oppose warrentless wiretaps without congressional authorization, and supported limitations on looking at library withdrawls) without calling it a "police state". Police states are real, they are very nasty, and to confuse a fundamentally liberal society that has a few more restrictions than is optimal with a police state, while it may suit libertarian paranoia, is demeaning to the victims of real police states.

[Cort Haus]

Fair point, but the fear is that progressive erosion of liberties will, if unopposed, eventually lead to the citizen being naked in the gaze of the lidless eye of authority. For our own safety, of course.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Police states are real, they are very nasty, and to confuse a fundamentally liberal society that has a few more restrictions than is optimal with a police state, while it may suit libertarian paranoia, is demeaning to the victims of real police states.

Wow, can you get any more PC than this?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Fair point, but the fear is that progressive erosion of liberties will, if unopposed, eventually lead to the citizen being naked in the gaze of the lidless eye of authority. For our own safety, of course.

to the LotR reference for LotM

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Fair point, but the fear is that progressive erosion of liberties will, if unopposed, eventually lead to the citizen being naked in the gaze of the lidless eye of authority. For our own safety, of course.

AS long as we're not confusing Denethor with Sauron.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
My God, that is disgusting that they would attempt this - it is a gross violation of privacy. Do what the police always do, get a warrant to search. I wouldn't be surprised if our government got ideas from this.

I don't find a warranted search a "gross violation of privacy." I'm not even sure I mind if the search is done without the knowledge of the suspect.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Wow, can you get any more PC than this?

Im not so PC that im afraid to be PC.


Put that in your self-referential pipe and smoke it.

[Kuciwalker]

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

I don't find a warranted search a "gross violation of privacy." I'm not even sure I mind if the search is done without the knowledge of the suspect.

To raid someone's computer in the hope of finding something incriminating somewhere out there? That's pretty damn invasive considering the personal nature of the files and correspondence that are kept on them...

[Arrian]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

AS long as we're not confusing Denethor with Sauron.

So long as we're not under the impression that Denethor is the guy we want in charge. Post-Boromir's death despairing Denethor, that is.

-Arrian

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
To raid someone's computer in the hope of finding something incriminating somewhere out there? That's pretty damn invasive considering the personal nature of the files and correspondence that are kept on them...

With a warrant you can already do that. But you have to raid their house and take the computer.

[Victor Galis]

Well, I'm pretty sure more than .1% of the German population has engaged in some sort of music, video, or software piracy, so the government claim must be false