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Were the "Catholic Kings" the first "Bennifers" of history?

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  • Were the "Catholic Kings" the first "Bennifers" of history?





    It is almost as if they were only 1 person, often their actions are described as if they were only one entity and not two individuals, for every Isabella did this, Ferdinand did this, you find a lot more the catholic Kings did this, they did that etc etc

    On youtube I found a video which was about "Spain´s 50 greatest heroes" and they were in the Video, but not as "ferdinand" and later then "isabella", but as "the catholic kings" and occupying only one position of the list (which means it was really 51 and not 50)

    I also remember when people discussed in forums what leaders they wanted for civ IV, some people wanted the catholic kings, but not separated, having ferdinand and isabella separated, they wanted both on the screen at the same time as a civ leader, which would have been unique.

    Well, discuss
    I need a foot massage

  • #2
    wtf are bennifers?
    "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
    Middle East!

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    • #3
      [Q=Heresson]wtf are bennifers?[/Q]
      USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
      The video may avatar is from

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Heresson
        wtf are bennifers?
        a couple; e.g. Ben Affleck + Jennifer Lopez

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        • #5
          Okay.

          No Theodora and Justinian would have been first.
          USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
          The video may avatar is from

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          • #6
            errrrrrrr...................... Which kings of Spain weren't Catholic?
            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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            • #7
              The kings of the Visigoths


              Kingdom of Toledo


              After Alaric's death, Visigothic nobles spirited his heir, the child-king Amalaric first to Narbonne, which was the last Gothic outpost in Gaul, and further across the Pyrenees into Hispania. The center of Visigothic rule shifted first to Barcelona, then inland and south to Toledo.

              From 511–526, the Visigoths were closely allied to the Ostrogoths under Theodoric the Great.

              In 554, Granada and southernmost Hispania Baetica were lost to representatives of the Byzantine Empire who had been invited in to help settle a Visigothic dynastic struggle, but who stayed on, as a hoped-for spearhead to a "Reconquest" of the far west envisaged by emperor Justinian I.

              Among the Catholic population of the peninsula, deep splits had led to the martyrdom of the ascetic Priscillian of Avila by orthodox Catholic forces in 385, and the following generations suffered persecution as "Priscillianist" heretics were rooted out. At the very beginning of Leo I's pontificate, in the years 444-447, Turribius, the bishop of Astorga in León, sent to Rome a memorandum warning that Priscillianism was by no means dead, that it numbered even bishops among its supporters, and asking the aid of the Roman See. The distance was insurmountable in the 5th century. Somewhat later, Pope Simplicius (reigned 468 - 483) appointed as papal vicar Zeno, the Catholic bishop of Seville, so that the prerogatives of the papal see could be exercised for a more tightly disciplined administration. Nevertheless Leo intervened, by forwarding a set of propositions that each bishop was required to sign: all did. As elsewhere, bishops confronted secular military lords over hegemony in the territory. But if Priscillianist bishops hesitated to be barred from their sees, a passionately concerned segment of Christian communities in Iberia were disaffected from the more orthodox hierarchy and welcomed the tolerant Arian Visigoths. The Visigoths scorned to interfere among Catholics but were interested in decorum and public order. The Arian Visigoths were also tolerant of Jews, a tradition that lingered in post-Visigothic Septimania, exemplified by the career of Ferreol, Bishop of Uzès (died 581). Visigothic persecution of Jews had to wait for the conversion to Catholicism of the Visigothic king Reccared, and the same synod of Catholic bishops in 633 that usurped the Visigothic nobles' right to confirm the election of a king declared that all Jews must be baptised. The Visigothic Code of Law (forum judicum) which had been part of aristocratic oral tradition, was set in writing in the early 7th century— and survives in two separate codices preserved at the Escorial. It goes into more detail than a modern constitution commonly does and reveals a great deal about Visigothic social structure.

              The last Arian Visigothic king, Liuvigild, conquered the Suevi kingdom in 585 and most of the northern regions (Cantabria) in 574 and regained part of the southern areas lost to the Byzantines, which King Suintila reconquered completely in 624.

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