England under siege

[DinoDoc]

Communism is your religion.

[ZEE]

you dont need a church...
to have a religion...

[Barnabas]

By the way, because of Anglicans going very liberal about ordination of women and gay stuff, many conservative anglicans are trying to get back into the Roman Catholic Church, including some important bishops.

[Last Conformist]

I thought the Nigerians were busy driving the Anglican communion back on the straight and bigotted path?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Communism is your religion.

You're funny, Bush worshipper

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
I thought the Nigerians were busy driving the Anglican communion back on the straight and bigotted path?

I think Australia is the place where a reunion of anglicans with the RCC is most possible.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
By the way, because of Anglicans going very liberal about ordination of women and gay stuff, many conservative anglicans are trying to get back into the Roman Catholic Church, including some important bishops.

My local parish priest has a wife, children and grandchildren. He was formerly an Anglican vicar.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride


I think Australia is the place where a reunion of anglicans with the RCC is most possible.

Mayhap, but bloody irrelevant to my question.

[Barnabas]

Catholics and Anglicans in reunion plan
Ruth Gledhill, London
February 20, 2007

RADICAL proposals to reunite Anglicans with the Roman Catholic Church under the leadership of the Pope are to be published this year.
The proposals have been agreed by senior bishops of both churches. In a 42-page statement prepared by an international commission of both churches, Anglicans and Catholics are urged to explore how they might reunite under the Pope.
The statement, leaked to The Times, is being considered by the Vatican, where bishops are preparing a formal response.

It comes as the archbishops who lead the 38 provinces of the Anglican Communion meet in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, to avoid a schism over gay ordination and other liberal doctrines.

The 36 primates at the gathering will be aware that the Pope, while a cardinal, sent a message of support to the orthodox wing of the US Episcopal Church as it struggled to cope with the fallout over the ordination of gay bishop Gene Robinson.

Were this week's discussions to lead to a split between liberals and conservatives, many of the former objections in Rome to a reunion with Anglican conservatives would disappear.

Many of those Anglicans who object most strongly to gay ordination also oppose the ordination of women priests.

Rome was flexible on the subject of celibacy when it received dozens of married priests from the Church of England into the Catholic priesthood after they left over the issue of women's ordination.

There are about 78 million Anglicans, compared with a billion Catholics worldwide. As the Anglicans' squabbles continue - with seven of the conservative primates twice refusing to share Communion with other Anglican leaders at their meeting in Tanzania - the church's credibility is being increasingly undermined.

The Anglicans will attempt to resolve their differences by publishing a new Anglican Covenant. But many fear the divisions have gone too far to be bridged, and that there is little hope their clerics will agree on a statement of common doctrine.

The latest Anglican-Catholic report could hardly come at a more sensitive time. It has been drawn up by the International Anglican-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity and Mission, which is chaired by the Right Reverend David Beetge, an Anglican bishop from South Africa, and the Most Reverend John Bathersby, the Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane.

The commission was set up in 2000 by the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey of Clifton, and Cardinal Edward Cassidy, president of the Vatican's Council for Christian Unity. Its aim was to find ways to move towards unity through "common life and mission". The leaked document, Growing Together in Unity and Mission, is the commission's first statement.

The report acknowledges the "imperfect communion" between the two churches but says there is enough common ground to make its call for action about the Pope and other issues.

The report notes: "The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the ministry of the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) as universal primate is in accordance with Christ's will for the church and an essential element of maintaining it in unity and truth."

Anglicans rejected the Bishop of Rome as universal primate in the 16th century. But some Anglicans are beginning to see the value of a ministry of universal primacy, which would be exercised by the Bishop of Rome, as a sign and focus of unity within a reunited church.

The report adds: "We urge Anglicans and Roman Catholics to explore together how the ministry of the Bishop of Rome might be offered and received in order to assist our Communions to grow towards full ecclesial communion."

Protocols should be drawn up to handle the movement of clergy from one church to the other, the report says. Anglicans are urged to pray for the Pope during the intercessionary prayers in church services, and Catholics are asked to pray publicly for the Archbishop of Canterbury.

It is unlikely a majority of Anglican parishioners would wish to heal the centuries-old rift and return to Rome.

However, the stance of the Archbishop of Canterbury indicates how priorities could be changing in light of the gospel imperative towards church unity.

Rowan Williams, who as leader of the Anglican Communion is its "focus for unity", has supported a liberal interpretation of scripture on the gay issue. But he has made it clear that church unity must come before provincial autonomy. A logical extension of that, once this crisis is overcome, would be to seek reunion with the Church of England's own mother church.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21254273-2703,00.html

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
You're funny, Bush worshipper

Well you do have to admit that communism does have alot of the things commonly associated with an organized religion: 1) It has a large selection of messiahs/saints–Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc.
2) Then we have sacred scriptures that for the foundation of this religion–the writings of these men.
3) We even have few apostles and prophets to throw into the mix–the Communist Party
4) Sin according to your religion is defined as rejecting communism
5) It has converts
6) It has its own "heaven" (the revolutionary worker's paradise) and faith (the belief that one must have in the sacred tracts).

[Barnabas]

Communism has ends of time religious like beliefs

[Dauphin]

Rich is a lapsed commie. He sold his soul to capitalism some time ago.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well you do have to admit that communism does have alot of the things commonly associated with an organized religion: 1) It has a large selection of messiahs/saints–Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc.
2) Then we have sacred scriptures that for the foundation of this religion–the writings of these men.
3) We even have few apostles and prophets to throw into the mix–the Communist Party
4) Sin according to your religion is defined as rejecting communism
5) It has converts
6) It has its own "heaven" (the revolutionary worker's paradise) and faith (the belief that one must have in the sacred tracts).

Well when I start believing every sperm is sacred, I'll take your criticisms seriously

I see that Pavlovian republican response to anyone who doesn't tow your line is well indoctrinated

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Rich is a lapsed commie. He sold his soul to capitalism some time ago.

That's a lie!

*returns to checking on his share prices*

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Rich is a lapsed commie. He sold his soul to capitalism some time ago.

Ah! He's a recovering Commie? I guess there is hope for everyone to see the light eventually. :angel: