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    How did people end up where they are?

    I still can't believe people crossed from Siberia to Alaska. And how did the people get on those pacific islands?

    I just can't imagine the conditions that would have forced someone to undertake such a journey. How did they have enough food to make it all the way accross? Things just have been real bad where they were.

    And I've always wondered why some native americans stayed where they were. Like the ones in the southwest. Why not move east? I know there were other hostile tribes to contend with, but still. The southwest is desert. Though it didn't get real bad until I believe the 1200's.
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        Re: How did people end up where they are?

        Originally posted by Dis
        I still can't believe people crossed from Siberia to Alaska. And how did the people get on those pacific islands?

        I just can't imagine the conditions that would have forced someone to undertake such a journey. How did they have enough food to make it all the way accross? Things just have been real bad where they were.

        And I've always wondered why some native americans stayed where they were. Like the ones in the southwest. Why not move east? I know there were other hostile tribes to contend with, but still. The southwest is desert. Though it didn't get real bad until I believe the 1200's.
        They got curious . What's over the water over there... .

        Though there is a lot of research indicating that people were in the "New World" far earlier than previously thought. Some even consider that in addition to a land bridge, Asians went down the coast in boats first.

        People do like to explore the unknown though.
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            I'd go.

            The SW is a pretty nice place to live so long as you have a source of water. Good growing season, no harsh winters, no common natural disasters, dry climate for healthy living... just need that water source. (I'd have migrated to the area around Zion National park anyday. That or SoCal seems like the place to have been, at least pre-Columbus.)

            Nowdays you can't just pick up, go find your own place, and claim the land for yourself. Back when you could... I'd think it would make a lot of sense to go when you weren't the favored son, landowner, ect.

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              There used to be an ice bridge between Alaska and Siberia.

              I believe the current theory on people living in Pacific islands is that the original inhabitants of Australia were just very good in building boats.

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                Originally posted by Aeson
                I'd go.

                The SW is a pretty nice place to live so long as you have a source of water. Good growing season, no harsh winters, no common natural disasters, dry climate for healthy living... just need that water source. (I'd have migrated to the area around Zion National park anyday. That or SoCal seems like the place to have been, at least pre-Columbus.)

                Nowdays you can't just pick up, go find your own place, and claim the land for yourself. Back when you could... I'd think it would make a lot of sense to go when you weren't the favored son, landowner, ect.
                It's tough to find enough food to live on (since they had no irrigation systems). I've been to Mesa Verde national park. It's a cool place. Fascinating to imagine living like that (in the cliffs).

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                      Re: How did people end up where they are?

                      Originally posted by Dis
                      I still can't believe people crossed from Siberia to Alaska. And how did the people get on those pacific islands?

                      I just can't imagine the conditions that would have forced someone to undertake such a journey.

                      In general people didnt say, gee whiz, id like to go a thousand miles to someplace better. They said , ah the huntings not so good here any more, its too crowded, but I hear the game is teaming like a couple of miles over that way. So its like 11000 BCE and some band of hunters moves two miles east, from one part of NE siberia to another. Then they move over another couple of miles. In say a generation, theyve moved, maybe 50 miles. In 300 years, theyve move 500 miles, and crossed the land bridge and now theyre in North America, but nobody notices it.


                      Polynesia OTOH is another huge story. You hop from island within sight, or you go fishing out of site, sometimes you end up off course and find a new island out of sight.

                      Whats really amazing is the Polynesians who ended up in Madagascar.
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                        Originally posted by VJ
                        There used to be an ice bridge between Alaska and Siberia.

                        I believe the current theory on people living in Pacific islands is that the original inhabitants of Australia were just very good in building boats.
                        No, the polynesians are linguistically, culturally, and I think genetically related to the inhabitants of Indonesia, no connection to Australia. The Indonesians had been island hopping for a long time, down from the Phillipines, and started in Taiwan (or maybe coastal china according to some) Guns, Germs and Steel by Diamond goes into all that.
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                            Lots of people moved because they were fleeing other people. In that case, taking a chance on the ice bridge makes more sense than staying and being wiped out. In any case, everyone got everywhere in the past by riding boats, riding animals (or contraptions attached to same), or walking. (Sumerian teleportation and rides on atlantean or alien vehicles would apply only to a very few, even if real. ) People did not walk all the way from the Bering Strait to Tierra del Fuego in one generation.
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                              Re: How did people end up where they are?

                              Originally posted by Dis

                              And how did the people get on those pacific islands?
                              Boats and navigation, mostly.

                              It's how people from Indonesia landed in Madagascar, and why Australia's indigenous peoples are related to Indians from the sub-continent.

                              Maoris are descended from both aboriginal Taiwanese and people from New Guinea.

                              It's how Vikings managed to get from northern Europe to Greenland and Newfoundland, across the slightly inhospitable North Atlantic.
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