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    Religious TV channel on carpet

    GRANT ROBERTSON

    00:00 EST Monday, February 12, 2007

    A religious television channel that has encouraged viewers to liquidate their retirement savings and charge up credit cards to make donations in the name of God may learn today whether it answers to Canada's broadcast regulator as a higher power.

    The Miracle Channel, which is carried across the country on cable, is expected to be questioned about its fundraising methods when it appears before the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission.

    At the heart of the debate are statements by on-air hosts during past fundraising drives. In one of the most controversial examples, a host told viewers in 2004 to cash in their Registered Retirement Savings Plans (RRSP) for donations.

    "There is somebody right now watching, and God is speaking to them about RRSPs. They've got RRSPs, and they've got a sizable amount, and it's a security thing. Well, it's not a security thing; your security is in God. And God's speaking to you to cash those in. And I dare you to do it," the host said.

    Owners of the station have applied for the right to set up transmitters in Calgary and Edmonton that would broadcast the channel over the air for free, an important move that would allow it to reach more viewers.

    A CRTC hearing starting today will consider the application to expand the station's broadcasting power. But the regulator will also look into whether The Miracle Channel has adequately responded to complaints about high-pressure tactics and promises of a windfall after money is given.

    The Lethbridge, Alta.-based station raises millions of dollars a year through public fundraising drives, and has donors from around the country. But it has also been involved in a lengthy wrangle with the CRTC over its fundraising.

    In a letter sent last week to the Miracle Channel Association [MCA], which operates the station, the CRTC said its "approach to solicitation of funds" will be discussed at the Calgary hearings.

    "Encouraging viewers to donate does not pose a problem in itself; however, manipulating viewers into giving to the station is not acceptable and will not be tolerated in any circumstances," the CRTC said.

    Other statements, including one in which a viewer who didn't have cash to donate is praised for charging $5,000 to a credit card, have drawn further complaints.

    Many have come from Tim Thibault, an ordained minister in Saskatchewan who once gave more than $1,000 to The Miracle Channel, but is now challenging its methods.

    The CRTC asked The Miracle Channel to revise its internal fundraising policy last year. Gordon Klassen, vice-president of broadcasting for the station, who has dealt with the regulator, could not be reached for comment, but the CRTC acknowledged last week that the channel has taken steps to rewrite its policies.

    In a letter to the CRTC, Mr. Klassen said the channel's on-air hosts have been "instructed to qualify their statements to ensure that viewers understand clearly the theological principles of giving in such a way as to prevent miscommunication or exaggeration of what a gift will or will not accomplish."

    Mr. Thibault maintains the channel is still pressuring viewers, despite the new policies.

    A five-day fundraising campaign that wrapped up last week and raised more than $900,000, according to the station's figures, involved several questionable statements, he alleges.

    "They've avoided the blatant statements, and they've now come out with a method where they're saying the same thing, they're just taking a little longer to say it." Mr. Thibault said.

    "What they're doing is they're basically pushing the CRTC, and testing out their different ways of being able to fundraise."

    Mr. Thibault began donating to the station several years ago, hoping prayer from the channel could reverse the fortunes of his struggling computer business in Humboldt, Sask. He now suggests he was mistakenly enchanted by the fundraising drives.

    The Miracle Channel has said previously that Mr. Thibault is trying to stir up controversy, and is intolerant of its fundraising efforts, which collect money that is given to charities and used to support some of its operations.

    But the CRTC acknowledged in its letter last week that it believes there is basis for some of Mr. Thibault's concerns.

    Under Canadian law, the CRTC lacks the power to sanction broadcasters if they are found to have run afoul of the rules. It can pull a broadcaster's licence, but that step is considered a last-resort option.

    However, the CRTC can exercise its power during licence hearings, and can refuse to grant concessions to a licence holder if the regulator believes the broadcaster is not complying with federal rules.

    Past pitches

    Excerpts from fundraising campaigns on the Miracle Channel that have raised concerns with the CRTC.

    "There's a businessman right now that's watching this program in his business, in his place of

    business that is about to go

    bankrupt. He's about to lose it all. He is discouraged, he is frustrated and I have a word for you . . . Right now, there's a certain

    amount in your bank account

    right now. And I'm just going to speak what I feel the spirit of God gave me. You're about to lose it

    all anyway, so you need to sow it into the miracle of the Miracle Channel, and your whole business is going to turn around, not months from now, days from now."

    "We've had several tonight give $10,000 . . . And you know what one person did Gwen? [addressing another host] They have $5,000 and they gave it, but they felt to give ten [thousand], they put the other 5 [thousand] on their credit card. And we believe that God is going to give that back to you and you are going to be able to pay it off real fast."
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

  • #2
    If you're so fcuking stupid as to hand over your savings to folks like these, you frankly deserve what's coming to you.
    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
    The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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    • #3
      I agree with Asher

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      • #4
        Meh. If you're dumb enough to liquidate your retirement savings to donate to a TV channel, it's your own fault.
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        AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
        AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
        DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Last Conformist
          If you're so fcuking stupid as to hand over your savings to folks like these, you frankly deserve what's coming to you.
          We protect mentally retarded people from exploitation, so why not Christians too?
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            Is it wrong that I find this funny?

            -Arrian
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Asher
              We protect mentally retarded people from exploitation, so why not Christians too?
              Okay, let's protect all Christians that accept to have a legal guardian appointed to make their decisions for them.
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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              • #8
                We should at least tax it...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arrian
                  Is it wrong that I find this funny?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arrian

                    Is it wrong that I find this funny?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LordShiva
                      Meh. If you're dumb enough to liquidate your retirement savings to donate to a TV channel, it's your own fault.
                      And if you are a senior that gets ripped off by telephone fraud...

                      We have laws to protect people with more money than brains.
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aeson
                        We should at least tax it...
                        We already have the stupid tax its called the lottery.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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                        • #13
                          So they're playing catch-up to the Scientologists. They've still got a ways to go, too. Just out of curiosity, what are these funds used for? If they go only towards "mission work," ie being able to pester more people into giving them money, would it qualify as a pyramid scheme, and be prosecuted as such?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                            We already have the stupid tax its called the lottery.
                            But these people are circumventing it! Close the tax loophole!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arrian
                              Is it wrong that I find this funny?
                              ---

                              Lol, Aeson
                              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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