Lebanese and Israeli armies clash

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Lorizael
I'm just tired of fifty years (whatever) of endless, pointless, stupid war. Something needs to happen so that this worthless conflict can ****ing end.

Y'mean something like the Iranian solution?

[Lorizael]

I have a semi-serious point. These constant skirmishes and border conflicts and raids, punctuated by the occasional full-blown war, are a sign that the area is simply not ready for peace. It is, in fact, nowhere close to peace, nor is it moving in the direction of peace.

Things aren't better when only a few people are dying per day. Things aren't even better when no one happens to get hurt in the latest stupid gunfight.

Something major needs to happen in the area before any kind of lasting peace can be achieved. The destruction of every political body in the Middle East - while it would not bring about peace, not at all - would be a nice start to something new.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lorizael
I have a semi-serious point. These constant skirmishes and border conflicts and raids, punctuated by the occasional full-blown war, are a sign that the area is simply not ready for peace. It is, in fact, nowhere close to peace, nor is it moving in the direction of peace.

Things aren't better when only a few people are dying per day. Things aren't even better when no one happens to get hurt in the latest stupid gunfight.

Something major needs to happen in the area before any kind of lasting peace can be achieved. The destruction of every political body in the Middle East - while it would not bring about peace, not at all - would be a nice start to something new.

when i was last in Israel, you could walk around Tel Aviv at night more assured of safety than you could walk around Chicago or New York. Do you suggest destroying Chicago and New York?

[Lorizael]

Yes, I do, because the United States is surrounded by enemies on all sides, frequently wars with Canada, and its occupuation of Mexico is so harsh that poor Mexicans secretly come into America and blow themselves up in an act of defiant terrorism.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Yes, I do, because the United States is surrounded by enemies on all sides, frequently wars with Canada, and its occupuation of Mexico is so harsh that poor Mexicans secretly come into America and blow themselves up in an act of defiant terrorism.

Israel is at peace with Egypt and Jordan, and there have been few successful suicide bombings in the last year. And there werent many suicide bombings before 2001 - they didnt start because of the harshness of the occupation, but because of disappointment with the peace proposal that would have ended the occupation.


If things were as desperate as you seem to think, Israelis would flee in droves. Instead Jews from France are moving there, apparently because they fell safer there, among other reasons. Would you suggest destroying Paris?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Israel is at peace with Egypt and Jordan...

And how are things with Lebanon? How are things with Iran? How will things be with Iran once those whackos get nukes?

...and there have been few successful suicide bombings in the last year. And there werent many suicide bombings before 2001 - they didnt start because of the harshness of the occupation, but because of disappointment with the peace proposal that would have ended the occupation.

Oh, there aren't that many suicide bombings. Well I guess it's okay then. I mean, confederates in the South regularly blow themselves up because they're angry about losing the Civil War, but that's okay, right?

If things were as desperate as you seem to think, Israelis would flee in droves. Instead Jews from France are moving there, apparently because they fell safer there, among other reasons.

Maybe things are doing better right now. But I'm willing to bet things will be doing worse soon. Every time I sit back and reflect on how relatively peaceful things are in Israel, events take a turn for the worse. This happens all the time. It's been happening for years. Up and down, back and forth, in this never-ending seesaw of death and destruction.

Would you suggest destroying Paris?

Well, duh. Who wouldn't?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Heresson


They wanted to clear bombs to pave the way for the next invasion on Lebanon

No it was more humanitarian than that. It was an attempt by doves in Israel to allow freer access into Israel for purposes of Hezb kidnapping IDF soldiers without fear of blowing themselves up in the process.

[Heresson]

oh, then

[Sirotnikov]

anyways, the security fence != international border.
Israel tried not to cross the border and claims it didn't.

The fence often crosses several dozen yards into Israeli soil. Israel has a right to cross that.

Especially to stop provocations by Hezbullah.

Planting roadside bombs on the border is a first step in preparing for another kidnapping.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


when i was last in Israel, you could walk around Tel Aviv at night more assured of safety than you could walk around Chicago or New York. Do you suggest destroying Chicago and New York?

An old friend of my always suggested the same solution to both American and the Is/Pal conflict; nuke 'em all and cover 'em with asphalt. Half the time I think he was right, at least about the later.

[Cort Haus]

Some of this wailing and gnashing of teeth reminds me of the oft-heard 'solution' to the intractible problems of N. Ireland - "can't we cut it loose and float it off into the Atlantic? Hopefully it will sink".

[Lorizael]

Right about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or right about covering them in asphalt?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Right about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or right about covering them in asphalt?

Right about the Is/Pal conflict.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
An old friend of my always suggested the same solution to both American and the Is/Pal conflict; nuke 'em all and cover 'em with asphalt. Half the time I think he was right, at least about the later.

We could use some asphalt

[lord of the mark]

Jpost


"Lebanon reneged Friday on its plan to file a complaint against Israel to the United Nations Security Council over Wednesday's flare-up on the northern border, after UNIFIL accepted Israel's version of events.

IDF tanks shelled a Lebanese army position after the Israeli troops came under fire during an operation to clear mines on the Israeli side of the border two days after five explosive devices were discovered in the area.


Lebanon's Interior Minister Ahmad Fatfat told Al Jazeera that "for the moment there is no need to file a complaint. The main message we conveyed to Israel was that we will not sit down and shake hands over violations of our sovereignty."

UNIFIL accepted Israel's version of the episode after inspecting the area and came to the conclusion that an Israeli bulldozer did not cross the Blue Line, the border drawn by the United Nations after Israel's withdrawal from south Lebanon in 2000.

Slovakia's UN Ambassador Peter Burian, the current council president, said Undersecretary-General for Peacekeeping Jean-Marie Guehenno told members at a closed briefing Thursday that "there was no violation of the Blue Line." "