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  • Saudis arresting reform activists; calling them terrorists.

    Just shows what a repressive crap hole Saudi Arabia is. The Shah was similiarly repressive and it resulted in him being overthrown and I wouldn't be surprised if the House of Saudi suffered the same fate. These guys are dicks. To bad it will be even wackier numbnuts who will take over.

    Saudi ‘terror funders’ are reform activists: Lawyer
    Web posted at: 2/5/2007 2:58:35
    Source ::: REUTERS
    riyadh • Ten men arrested in Saudi Arabia on suspicion of funding terrorism include known political activists detained in the past over calls for reform in the absolute monarchy, a lawyer said yesterday.

    The Interior Ministry said on Saturday it had arrested 10 people, including a foreign resident, for collecting donations and giving them to “suspicious elements”.

    It said the arrests were part of police operations against “funding terrorism”.

    Bassem Alem, a lawyer representing some of the men, said they were reformers who had recently been warned by the Interior Ministry, overseen by hawkish Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz, to halt their meetings and petitions.

    “They are pure reformists par excellence. Nothing about them is remotely linked with terrorism,” he told Reuters, adding that police later seized books and computer files from their homes.

    “They are always being given warnings not to write petitions or to meet. There is a heightened sensitivity over petitions and meetings, I don’t know why.”

    He named some of the men as Sulaiman Rushoudi, Essam Basrawy, Abdel-Rahman al-Shimary, Abdelaziz Al Khuraijy and Mousa Al Qarny.

    An Interior Ministry spokesman said he could not confirm the men’s names or backgrounds.

    A court jailed three reformers in 2005 for petitioning for a constitutional monarchy but King Abdullah pardoned them after he came to power the same year in what analysts said was a sign of changing trends within the ruling family.

    King Abdullah is a popular figure for his promise of cautious reforms in Saudi Arabia, a monarchy with no elected parliament and little tolerance for political opposition.

    Since then there have been no petitions, but little progress on political reform in a country where over 60 percent of the Saudi population of 17 million is under 21.

    Political tension in Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and Iraq, as well as an anti-government campaign launched in 2003 by Islamist militants, have heightened security tension in Saudi Arabia, a key US ally and the world’s top oil producer.
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  • #2
    Someone dared to pass around a petition asking for a constitutional monarchy. OMG!!1!1 THEY R TEH TERR'ER'ISTS!

    When will reactionary dictators learn that either you slowly reform or you eventually get squashed in a wave on anger created by their repressive ways?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oerdin
      When will reactionary dictators learn that either you slowly reform or you eventually get squashed in a wave on anger created by their repressive ways?
      Why would you loose one tidbit during your reign when you can have it squanered all by your grandson?
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      • #4
        Now, were these "reform activists" calling for a constitutional monarchy or were they the "Islam in Saudi Arabia isn't fundamentalist enough; the Sauds are a bunch of godless heathens" type of reformer? Saudi Arabia does have a bit of a problem there with those types.
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        • #5
          Let's be honest: who do you think would be elected by the people in Saudi Arabia if there were a democracy?

          Do you think they would be friendly to US interests? (Hint: see elections in Palestine and Iran)
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          • #6
            Good point. It doesn't have the exact details in that report though it does have:

            A court jailed three reformers in 2005 for petitioning for a constitutional monarchy but King Abdullah pardoned them after he came to power the same year in what analysts said was a sign of changing trends within the ruling family.
            So they have arrested people in the recent past for daring to ask for a constitutional monarchy.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Victor Galis
              Let's be honest: who do you think would be elected by the people in Saudi Arabia if there were a democracy?

              Do you think they would be friendly to US interests? (Hint: see elections in Palestine and Iran)
              I personally don't want full democracy there since the house of Saud has spent the last 80-90 years making sure everyone is a brain addled religious fundimentalist, however, that doesn't mean they should go around arresting and even executing people for simply passing around pieces of paper advocacting change. Stopping the vile propaganda and eliminating it from the education system is the first step and being a bit less repressive can't hurt.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Victor Galis
                Let's be honest: who do you think would be elected by the people in Saudi Arabia if there were a democracy?

                Do you think they would be friendly to US interests? (Hint: see elections in Palestine and Iran)
                My money's on the "Islam in Saudi Arabia isn't fundamentalist enough; the Sauds are a bunch of godless heathens" candidates in a landslide.
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                • #9
                  How can you sympathize with terrorist suspects?!? [/Winston]
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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                  • #10
                    I've always thought the area was ripe for an edu-ocracy -- in order to vote (or hold office) you have to have a 4-year degree from an approved college or university. It's a great way (a) to encourage education and spread quasi-democracy while (b) keeping the wacko fundies from taking over the country.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler
                      I've always thought the area was ripe for an edu-ocracy -- in order to vote (or hold office) you have to have a 4-year degree from an approved college or university. It's a great way (a) to encourage education and spread quasi-democracy while (b) keeping the wacko fundies from taking over the country.
                      I've always thought so to, but as nice as that sounds, there's several problems with it that I unfortunately can't go over because I have to go to class now, then work, then home briefly, then work again until 10pm.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                        I've always thought so to, but as nice as that sounds, there's several problems with it that I unfortunately can't go over because I have to go to class now, then work, then home briefly, then work again until 10pm.
                        I shall anxiously await the input of your wisdom

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zkribbler
                          I've always thought the area was ripe for an edu-ocracy -- in order to vote (or hold office) you have to have a 4-year degree from an approved college or university. It's a great way (a) to encourage education and spread quasi-democracy while (b) keeping the wacko fundies from taking over the country.
                          Yes, because that system would be inherently stable in that part of the world

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Victor Galis
                            Let's be honest: who do you think would be elected by the people in Saudi Arabia if there were a democracy?

                            Do you think they would be friendly to US interests? (Hint: see elections in Palestine and Iran)
                            Are countries only allowed to introduce democracy if they vote pro-american?
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                            • #15
                              When will reactionary dictators learn that either you slowly reform or you eventually get squashed in a wave on anger created by their repressive ways?
                              Saddam the Reformer.
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