Multiculturalism - a racism in disguise

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It's not that "whites are to blame" per se, but because the ones who claim so, are white themselves

That's what I meant. That's what we can see in this 'poly thread, too. White people who are catching up on the trend of fight against racism are trying to compensate their insecurity by changing the sides in state-sponsored racism. 'If it's racism against the other race, surely it must be anti-racism?' seems to be the line of thought. And then there is the thing that "muslim" seems to be a code-word for "non-white", and state-funded celebrations for "muslim-related people" such as the state-funded Eurovision of muslims are only restricted to everyone who's not white.

edit: Insecure people who are trying very hard to be against racism are being racist against whites under the newspeak term of "multiculturalism", that's what's happening in Europe. If these people would actually live in areas where muslims are being relocated by the state, perhaps they'd see the actual problems, too.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by VJ
That's what I meant. That's what we can see in this 'poly thread, too.

From whom?

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From you for one.

[Spiffor]

Quote my anti white bias.

Or quote my racist bias, as I "infantilize"* the non-whites.

I've written enough material in this thread for you to have no problem finding quotes, I'm sure


*this is a Brucknerian word.

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You want me to find a quote of yours where you're defending anti-white bias?

Originally posted by Spiffor

Enlightenment fundamentalism or racism of the anti-racists?

Pascal Bruckner...

Good, I've read enough.

First post of yours in this thread, attacking an author for daring to demand end for separate law treatment based on race. Ergo, you're defending law enforcement bias against white people.

Man, that was easy. Thanks for playing a rhetorical game. Now how about that reality?

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So, attacking an author unknown to VJ is antiwhite racism?

I think I'll need to get a rasist, javisst! bumper sticker.

(and yeah, I'm ignoring the "for daring ..." part, since VJ realizes full well Spiff was dismissing Bruckner qua Bruckner.)

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Originally posted by Last Conformist
So, attacking an author unknown to VJ is antiwhite racism?

Good strawman, pretending that I was claiming that criticising the author because the author is white is racism instead of what I actually claimed. I edited the part where I said that I hadn't heard of him before since someone might have even taken it for real.

Too bad I've known you for long enough to recognise your nitpicking out of things both you and the guy you're laughing at agree on and know as irrelevant to know that you're trolling again -- heck, if you wouldn't have posted right after my last post, I wouldn't have even opened your post window. You don't get me pissed off at your irrelevant strawmen anymore because I know from your posting habits that you're just trolling for attention with them. 1.2/10.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by VJ
First post of yours in this thread, attacking an author for daring to demand end for separate law treatment based on race. Ergo, you're defending law enforcement bias against white people.

Oh yeah, I forgot I was an objective associate of radical Islam

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Originally posted by Spiffor
I feel that our civilization is better served when more women have the ability to come to the hospital, as they aren't prevented from going by their brutal husbands.

Do you feel that your society is better served when more women are able to go out at night without fear of sexual attack because they are discreetly dressed?

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(and yeah, I'm ignoring the "for daring ..." part, since VJ realizes full well Spiff was dismissing Bruckner qua Bruckner.)

This attempt is even better. DanS'ing a claim that Spiffor's criticism of OP consisted of only personal attack against Bruckner altough Spiffor has constantly attacked against OP's demands consistently in this thread since this post of his.

Some casual observers who are just starting to watch this thread might even believe you. Unfortunately, I'm not insecure enough to care about your complex web of strawmen anymore. If you want entertainment out of annoying people, buy some mice and start planting scores of them into your neighbours backyards'. 2.2/10.

Do you feel that your society is better served when more women are able to go out at night

Girls as young as 14 have been gang-raped in broad daylight near Helsinki central railroad station with policemen too afraid to do anything since it's hard to tell whether unconscious woman dressing like an adult is against or for ****ing and cops have been sacked for "racist prejudice" like trying to stop public sex between a black guy and a white woman before, so you can frame questions like this to be more emotional if that's what you're trying to get at.

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VJ, I was framing my question to Spiffor in the same terms as the example he gave. In his example he supported adjusting hospital rules / procedure / training policy / gender selection of doctors to accomodate muslim beliefs. I was asking whether he felt that non-muslim women should cover up to accomodate muslim beliefs.

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Originally posted by Spiffor



Oh yeah, I forgot I was an objective associate of radical Islam

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

You know, I'm trying to create honest debate here since I hope you'd understand what kind of effects your multiculturalist dreams in Paris are having on lives all over the European Union because of French and German -led EU bureaus are now creating 2/3 of the laws in Finland, but it seems to me that you're starting to create public strawmen in the Internet in order to avoid private thoughts in your own head. It must serve as a good diversion from this reality us peons not helping EU politicians in federal bureucratic centers are complaining about.

Unfortunately, since some of us still have to live in this thing called real world, it would be good if you would start thinking honestly for yourself instead of constantly running away into the attractive theme park of intellectual dishonesty and endless rhetorical games and codewords of multiculturalism.

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Re: Reality, the old crime against ideology.

Originally posted by VJ
This attitude was exactly the point of the OP. Immigrants who aren't white can't be blamed for anything,

I'm sorry, where did I say that? Just because a murderer had a hard life doesn't mean it isn't his fault when he takes a life. Just because European society is exclusionary doesn't mean that it's right for others to embrace exclusion themselves. It just shows why its happening.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Spiffor



Oh yeah, I forgot I was an objective associate of radical Islam

Seriously VJ, you might want to ponder a little what you just wrote. I expressed my dislike of an author I know already enough. And you think it means I want separate laws depending on race? You're seriously off the bat.

If you read my posts in this thread, you might probably know that I'm ambivalent about multiculturalism. And I've never called myself a "multiculturalist" (well, maybe I have 6 years ago, but I wasn't in the OT back then).

I am very cautious about the touchy-feely libruls who want to let Muslims live in obscurantism because they're too immature to adapt to western society - this is racism, and this is perhaps the only valid point in the OP (which the OP falsely calls "multiculturalism" - part of Bruckner's BS crusade).
At the same time, I'm very cautious about people like Bruckner, who are so in-your-face about imposing our values on others, that we'll end up having an alienated minority who will feel hostile toward the mainstream.
In short, I try to be pragmatic, while being strongly influenced by the French values of integration into the Republic (not to be confused with assimilation).


Now, Bruckner is an author I dislike. Because I know enough of his works. He belongs to the caste of Parisian philosophers who write prêt à penser editorials in French magazines, while parading as having a thought-provoking analysis. To me, Bruckner has constantly shown arrogance, self-righteousness, and typical French-like BS in his articles. This is why I dislike him (and not merely about his stance toward Islam: he's probably the "best" among his caste in this regard btw). And this is why I'm not surprised by the OP.

I don't know why you immediately correlated my dislike of Bruckner to some racism of my part. You remind me of Pekka, who called me a racist after I expressed my dislike of credit cards.
While I don't know, I still have an idea: you seem to consider that every person who somehow wants to adapt our laws to the new populations flowing into our country, is associated with the radical touchy-feely libruls. The ones who intimidated the naked Aussie protesters into not demonstrating.
Well, I'm not. I wouldn't have taken part in the counter-protest, because this society needs more nudity, not less. I'd never take part in an intimidation campaign against a peaceful protest. I'm sorry to burst your bubble


Hey, I can play that game too! Many people in the far right agree with Bruckner on this one, and largely support the headscarf ban. You too agree with Bruckner on this one. Clearly, it means you're a fascist! And I have a damning quote to prove it too:

If these people would actually live in areas where muslims are being relocated by the state, perhaps they'd see the actual problems, too.

You said it: Muslims create problems, and you show you want them to be "relocated by the state", which is nothing less than ETHNIC CLEANSING!!1 ZOMFG!


Now, now. Maybe you see that building strawmen is completely at odds with reality. In other words: building strawmen is perfectly moronic. If you want me to take you seriously, please don't associate me with the extremist morons, thank you


PS: some of my friends are vegetarians. This does NOT make me a PETA supporter. Thanks you.

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VJ, I was framing my question to Spiffor in the same terms as the example he gave. In his example he supported adjusting hospital rules / procedure / training policy / gender selection of doctors to accomodate muslim beliefs. I was asking whether he felt that non-muslim women should cover up to accomodate muslim beliefs.

Yes, I know. But I was just saying that if you want to turn that question into a more emotional one, you can easily afford it.

It is so incredible what kind of insanity "multiculturalism" has led to I'm starting to wonder if this is just long bad dream I've been having for the last five years or so. Surreal things are happening all the time, and EU lexicon saying what the newspapers can repeat from police reports and what they can't is starting to create alternate realities of understanding.

Hell, if I still worked as a postman instead of a security guard, I would've never probably started to read statistics about the scale of identical crimes from identical people police is now dealing with in Northern European cities and would've never understood how separate rules for muslims in the name of "multiculturalism", "understanding" and "culture-awareness" are rapidly turning the whole country into the trashcan, and I would probably now be proudly siding along the empty words of Che and Spiffor.

I'm sorry, where did I say that?

You most certainly did not say that.

You automatically presumed, without any knowledge about the subject, that the fault lies at the society immigrants are moving into without even considering other options. Your entire post (quoted again few lines below this) consisted of analyzing what's wrong with the European societies when people moving in to them are violent. Since I've encountered this kind of attitude too many times before, I drew my own conclusions, and am both sorry and glad if I was wrong.

The problem isn't radical Muslims emigrating to Europe. The problem is, once there, Muslims don't feel included in your societies. Extremism isn't something people just pick up. It would be much easier for me to recruit people to socialism if it were so. It is a response, instead, to the inclusivity or exclusivity of a society.

America is a realtively inclusive society. Those groups who we are not as inclusive of, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans, are also where we see much more radicalization and extremist ideology.

Arabs, Turks, and South Asians have never been made to feel welcome in Europe, despite your "attempts" at multiculturalism. It is hardly any wonder that they then join transformative movements and seek solace among those that tell them they are the true people.