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  • #46
    Compare those sentences with this one.




    Probation ends for S. Dakota lawmaker

    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    January 22, 2007

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - Former Rep. Bill Janklow will emerge from his manslaughter probation today with a clean record, more than three years after he sped through a stop sign in a Cadillac and killed a motorcyclist.

    Janklow, 67, has already regained his law license and can get behind the wheel again, having obeyed all conditions of his release, his probation officer said.

    However, his political career is through.

    "I think that it's good for everyone involved that this chapter has come to a conclusion," said Ed Evans, the attorney who represented Janklow at trial.

    Janklow said he did not want to comment about the end of his probation. He was governor for 16 years, serving four terms in two eight-year stints. In 2002, the Republican was elected as South Dakota's only member of the House.

    His record will be cleared because Circuit Judge Rodney Steele, now retired, issued Janklow a suspended imposition of sentence in 2004 - a one-time-only pass for a person found guilty of a felony.

    A suspended imposition of sentence is similar to a pardon, and means that a judge has placed the jury's guilty verdict on hold. There is no conviction on record if a person complies with all the conditions specified as punishment by the judge.

    On Aug. 16, 2003, Janklow's car struck a Harley-Davidson ridden by Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn., at an intersection near Trent, S.D., about 30 miles north of Sioux Falls. Scott was killed instantly.

    Janklow, who has diabetes, testified he had not eaten that day and probably blacked out when he approached the intersection.

    A jury convicted him of second-degree manslaughter and he resigned from Congress.

    He served 100 days in jail, paid a $5,000 fine, temporarily lost his law license and was forbidden to drive during his probation.

    Scott's mother, Marcella Scott, declined to comment on the end of Janklow's probation. She and other family members are seeking $25 million in a wrongful death lawsuit filed in federal court, which is set for trial in March 2008. The federal government would be responsible for any damages awarded because Janklow was on official business when the accident happened.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drogue
      And as for ending a human life, I consider intent the main point here.
      Should someone who gets behind the wheel of a car under the influence of something foreign (alcohol/drugs) [Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that is extremely likely], kills a person, and then procedes to leave the scene of the accident serve a short amount of time in prison?
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      • #48
        Yes. Drunk-driving is an American institution.

        Should someone who gets behind the wheel of a car under the influence of something foreign (alcohol/drugs) [Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that is extremely likely], kills a person, and then procedes to leave the scene of the accident serve a short amount of time in prison?


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        • #49
          I agree Wycoff, this is the real injustice.

          He served 100 days in jail, paid a $5,000 fine, temporarily lost his law license and was forbidden to drive during his probation.
          Last edited by OzzyKP; January 24, 2007, 13:07.
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          • #50
            The real injustice is people butchering the quote code .

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            • #51
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              Should someone who gets behind the wheel of a car under the influence of something foreign (alcohol/drugs) [Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that is extremely likely],
              However as said, if it was as such, why wasn't it mentioned. That's a big thing to omit in an article.

              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              kills a person, and then procedes to leave the scene of the accident serve a short amount of time in prison?
              I don't agree with using prison purely as a punishment, it's just too expensive for the state. I think prison should have two purposes - keeping people who are a danger to society removed from society, and rehabilitation. Perhaps use short sentances for the deterrent effect for petty crimes, but as said, this isn't a petty crime.

              I'm never sure on what I think the penalty for drunk driving should be. I don't think, for someone who's obviously repenting (and thus not in need of rehabilitation), it should be 19 years in prison. Indeed, I don't think prison is necessary here. Perhaps forced community work, losing license and a fine, all three of which for a long time/lot of money. If he's not a danger to society nor in need of rehabilitation, I don't see what good prison does.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by OzzyKP
                Obviously they didn't understand the ramifications of what they were doing. They were just innocent children who don't understand the concept of "death" or "murder". Sweet innocent children. Those kind of advanced notions of the consequences of repeatedly jabbing a sharp object into someone's flesh only occur on one's 18th birthday.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  The real injustice is people butchering the quote code .

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Lorizael


                    Good to see you know it goes both ways.
                    Why would that be a surprise?

                    I'm one of the only ones in the country who knows it goes both ways. Everyone else in society believes that when young people commit a crime they are suddenly mature, responsible adults and deserved to be treated as such in the justice system, but if they want to vote or leave their house at night or decide what clothes they wear to school then they are stupid little kids who don't understand the consequences of their actions.
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                    • #55
                      Because most people I know are hypocrites to one degree or another and don't even know it. I could easily imagine someone fighting for "youth rights" who fights for all the rights of youths, including the right not to be tried as an adult.

                      After all, if your aim is to help youths, why would you want to hurt that cause by having them go to adult prisons? That you stay clear of this hypocrisy says a little something about your principles.
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                      • #56
                        Btw, although I don't agree with the hypocritical distinction that is drawn by most in society, I do understand it. When you a commit a particularly adult crime, it is easily demonstrable that you do, in fact, display the maturity of an adult and should be treated accordingly.

                        It is more difficult to prove, however, that you are mature enough to vote, smoke, drink, etc. If there were an equally clear test measuring the maturity to engage in these supposedly adult activities, I'm willing to bet the law would be kinder to youths.
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