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    Iran said to install uranium centrifuges

    By Ali Akbar Dareini, Associated Press Writer | January 15, 2007

    TEHRAN, Iran --Iran said Monday it is installing 3,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium at one of its nuclear facilities, effectively confirming that its nuclear program is running behind schedule as the devices were to have been in place two weeks ago.

    Over the weekend, Iran dismissed reports from Europe that its uranium enrichment program had been stalled. Enriched uranium is used as fuel in nuclear reactors and, at a higher degree of enrichment, can also be used to make atomic bombs.

    But Iran had said the installation of the 3,000 centrifuges at its facility in Natanz, located in central Iran, would be completed by the end of 2006. Its failure to do so has prompted reports that it is encountering technical difficulties in mastering large-scale enrichment.

    Diplomats in Vienna -- where the International Atomic Energy Agency is based -- said Thursday that the enrichment program in Natanz had ground to a halt.

    The diplomats said that suggests possible Iranian hesitancy to provoke U.N. Security Council sanctions harsher than the relatively mild penalties agreed on last month in response to Tehran's refusal to heed a council deadline to suspend enrichment.

    Or, they said, it could be a sign of headway by relative moderates in the leadership unhappy with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's confrontational manner.

    Some diplomats accredited or otherwise linked to the IAEA said some intelligence services believed the Natanz site could also be a front. While attention is focused on Natanz, Iranian scientists and military personnel could be working on a secret enrichment program at one or more unknown sites that is much more advanced, the diplomats said.

    They spoke on condition of anonymity in exchange for discussing restricted information.

    Other signs point to technical difficulties at Iran's nuclear facilities. Earlier this month, Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh, who heads the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, told reporters that about 50 centrifuges had exploded during a test.

    "We had installed 50 centrifuges. One night, I was informed that all the 50 centrifuges had exploded. ... Ahmadinejad called me and said: 'Build these machines even if they explode 10 times more,'" Aghazadeh was quoted as saying by Iranian media.

    Iran has condemned the U.N. Security Council resolution imposing sanctions on it, and said it would move ahead with its nuclear program. Last month, Ahmadinejad boasted that Iran would soon celebrate, probably in February, the completion of its nuclear fuel cycle -- the processing of uranium from mining the ore to enriching it.

    "We are moving toward the production of nuclear fuel, which requires 3,000 centrifuges and more than this figure," government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham told a news conference. "This program is being carried out and moving toward completion."

    The United States and some of its allies accuse Iran of trying to produce nuclear weapons.

    Iran denies this, saying its program is only for generating electricity. Tehran says that as a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, it has the right to develop a peaceful uranium enrichment program to produce nuclear power.

    The IAEA has said it has found no evidence that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, but it has criticized the country for concealing certain nuclear activities and failing to answer questions about the program.

    Iran first showed its ability to enrich uranium in February, when it produced a small batch of low-enriched uranium using a first set of 164 centrifuges at its pilot complex in Natanz.

    Iran said it planned to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment involving 3,000 centrifuges, then expand the program to 54,000 centrifuges, which spin uranium gas into enriched material to produce nuclear fuel.
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    Good, if true.
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    • #3
      Just out of curiosity....

      Can anyone tell me the last time Iran/Persia invaded one of its neighbors. There was the Iran-Iraq War, but Hussein started that.

      MY point is, as far as I can recall, Iran has historically been a relatively pacific neighbor.

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      • #4
        cept for the whole "sending weapons to Hezbollah et al" thing.
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zkribbler
          There was the Iran-Iraq War, but Hussein started that.
          Bull****.
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          • #6
            Form Wikipedia:

            The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime. The conflict saw early successes by the Iraqis, but before long they were repelled and the conflict stabilized into a long war of attrition.

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            • #7
              From your very own quote:
              The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime. The conflict saw early successes by the Iraqis, but before long they were repelled and the conflict stabilized into a long war of attrition.
              Self-pwnage.
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              • #8
                What part of "invaded" don't you understand?

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                • #9
                  How do you gather that Iraq started the war with Iran from the info you posted?
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zkribbler
                    What part of "invaded" don't you understand?
                    Can anyone tell me the last time Iran/Persia invaded one of its neighbors. There was the Iran-Iraq War, but Hussein started that
                    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      How do you gather that Iraq started the war with Iran from the info you posted?
                      Because formenting political dissent inside of your neighbor is NOT beginning a war. That seems a clear enough distinction.

                      So Zib is correct to state that it was Saddam who invaded his neighbor and started a war. That is different from claiming that the revolutionary government in Iran did not also work to forment revolution in Iraq and give Saddam various reasons for war.

                      Just because Iran was messing with Iraq's internal issues does not equal war. After all, the Iranians actively armed the Kurds during the Kurdish revolt in the early 70's, which you could claim was a much bigger act against Iraqi sovereignty, but Saddam would never have taken on the Shah, who had full US backing. Khomeini was relatively "easy" prey.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GePap
                        Because formenting political dissent inside of your neighbor is NOT beginning a war.
                        One would think that frequent border clashes happening at Iran's instigation or the fact that Iraq didn't seek to take advantage of the chaos of the revolution in '79 to reverse the concessions he was forced to make in '75 would tend to underscore who was to blame for the war.
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                        • #13
                          Oh noes, an atomic bomb is so imminent we must go to war now!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            One would think that frequent border clashes happening at Iran's instigation or the fact that Iraq didn't seek to take advantage of the chaos of the revolution in '79 to reverse the concessions he was forced to make in '75 would tend to underscore who was to blame for the war.
                            Except Iraq DID take advantage of the chaos of the Iranian revolution. Do you honestly think that Iraq would simply invade instantly? The outcome of the revolution was in doubt in 1979. By 1980 is was pretty clear that Iran was estranged from the US.

                            byt the logic you are trying to use, it would be wrong to state that the Monarchical powers of Europe attacked France bcecause of its revolutionary government because they invaded after 1790, not instantly in 1789.

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                            • #15
                              [q=GePap]Because formenting political dissent inside of your neighbor is NOT beginning a war.[/q]

                              If it was (aside from the whole neighbor bit), the US has probably been in 10 times (perhaps a low estimate) the number of wars we thought it had .
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