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  • Economics of Immigration: why are people opposed?

    I saw this article on another site and thought I'd post it here. I do support the free movement of labor as a whole though I think politically it can only work between roughly economically equal nations. If the first world were to have completely open borders with China or India then the next day there would be hundreds of millions of immigrants who would swamp the recieving countries and create more problems then they solve. Middle to high income countries though would see only the benifets without the giant sunami of people so open borders better those countries is a doable idea.

    Waves of fear
    Jan 11th 2007
    From The Economist print edition

    In a controversial new book a British economist asks why so many people are against the free movement of labour

    FOR years now, free trade and free movement of capital have been respectable economic tenets, espoused—if sometimes reluctantly—by most politicians. But no sane politician in the rich world would advocate free movement of labour. As a result, most people are trapped in their native lands, never likely to have a legal opportunity to see the world outside.

    Philippe Legrain, a liberal economist who once worked for The Economist, has already written a book stoutly defending globalisation. Now he takes on an even more emotive subject. There is not a shadow of doubt about his own views. He wants open borders. He believes that they will, on balance, enrich both sending and receiving countries; he thinks diversity generally makes life more interesting; and he detests bureaucratic restrictions on human freedoms. “Immigrants are not an invading army,” he points out. “They come in search of a better life. They are no different to someone who moves from Manchester to London, or Oklahoma to California, because that is where the jobs are. Except that a border lies in the way.”

    Mr Legrain has assembled powerful evidence to undermine the economic arguments against immigration. In the case of skilled migrants, that is relatively easy. But the migrants who arrive in the back of lorries and huddled in small boats are unskilled. For them, there are hardly any legal tracks across borders. Yet, argues Mr Legrain, they too bring economic benefits and do “little or no harm” to the wages or employment prospects of native workers. As for the economic impact on sending countries, many now gain more from remittances than from official aid or inward investment. He quotes approvingly a government minister from the Philippines who says: “Overseas employment has built more homes, sent more children of the poor to college and established more business enterprises than all the other programmes of the government put together.”

    Mr Legrain makes a robust economic case—though he surely understates the impact of immigrants on holding back the pay of the poorest, often themselves the children of immigrants. He is more successful at rebutting the argument that taxpayers give willingly only to those with whom they feel some kinship and that immigration, therefore, jeopardises support for the welfare state. A willingness to pay taxes to support the poor is independent of levels of immigration, he shows.

    Less convincing are his proposals for encouraging immigrants to go home after a period of working abroad. If immigration were temporary, he reasons, people might tolerate it more readily. So why not get immigrants to post a bond on arrival, say, or have a portion of their wages withheld until they leave? The trouble with such ingenious ideas is that immigrants from the world's poorer countries have many reasons to stay overseas, especially in Europe or America. The financial gains are huge, but they are by no means the only rewards. Life is much easier where there is the rule of law, less petty corruption and a better health-care system than exists at home.

    But hostility to immigration is not just, or indeed mainly, about economics. It is based on fear of change and on racism. It has also, since the World Trade Centre attacks, been based on growing worries about Muslim terrorism. Such anxieties are not easily assuaged by economic logic. It is striking, for example, how little serious protest there was in Britain at the absorption of over 500,000 east European immigrants in the two years after Poland and nine other countries acceded to the European Union in May 2004. Surely at least one reason was that these white Christian Europeans look and (seem to) think extraordinarily like most British people, and their children and grandchildren will be distinguishable only by their unpronounceable names.

    By contrast, many Muslim immigrants and their children have become more estranged, not less. Their ambivalence towards the West and its secular liberalism has appeared to grow, not diminish. It is, of course, wholly unreasonable to see most Muslims as potential terrorists—but reason may not have much chance here.

    So no government in the rich world is likely to open its borders to all comers, as Mr Legrain urges. For politicians, the tricky question is who to let in. And how to define a coherent policy? The harsh truth is that voters find it easier to accept immigrants who look and behave as they do than those who are different. That, as a basis for policy, still leaves most of mankind outside the gates.
    In a controversial new book a British economist asks why so many people are against the free movement of labour
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  • #2
    I'd love to see open borders between the various upper to middle income states or at least a right to work after the immigrant passes a thorough background check to insure they aren't criminals.

    The EU, former USSR, NAFTA, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand would all qualify based on income. Chile, Uruguay, and Argentia might as well. This would benifet everyone in all of those countries (except possibly the least skilled/poorest people in recieving countries who won't welcome newcomers competiting for his janitorial job).
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    • #3
      Immigration is mostly not a problem from the economic standpoint, though some groups can be disproportionally hard-hit by it. From what I understand, in US Afroamericans are being squeezed out from many occupations by cheaper Mexican workforce.

      But immigration is a big problem if immigrants are not from a compatible culture, and politicians should make sure only assimilable individuals are let in the (any) country.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        The EU, former USSR, NAFTA, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand would all qualify based on income. Chile, Uruguay, and Argentia might as well. This would benifet everyone in all of those countries (except possibly the least skilled/poorest people in recieving countries who won't welcome newcomers competiting for his janitorial job).
        Doesn't the US qualify?
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Goes without saying, surely.
          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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          • #6
            I just want more mexican women in my city. My city has a serious imbalance of males to females, because not enough mexican women are coming over.

            Seriously though, this is a problem in that all the money they make is being shipped back to Mexico. It's not staying within the local economy. I would prefer they be permanent residents and move their family here.

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            • #7
              It's quite funny how people oppose immigration because they dislike foreigners, while they are being explained to that economically it's OK. Economics is kind of minor point with regards to immigration.

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              • #8
                The Economist = Neo-Liberal rag.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Provost Harrison


                  Doesn't the US qualify?
                  The US is covered under NAFTA.
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                  • #10
                    Ah yes, never noticed that, doh!
                    Speaking of Erith:

                    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Odin
                      The Economist = teh roxxorz
                      Fixed.
                      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                      • #12
                        So who is opposed to open borders between economic equals or near equals? It seems to have worked well in the EU though I notice that many EU states are slapping restrictions on migration from new member states. I find that sad.
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                        • #13
                          Free immigration and trade
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #14
                            Yes open al lthe borders...

                            Wil lbring costs of labour down !!!
                            GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ramo
                              Free immigration and trade
                              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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