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    This newspaper, presumably based in Pakistan, seems to think that the British media is encouraging hate crimes against Muslims by reporting on the trial of terrorists attempting another tube massacre (21/7).

    Despite the claims in the first two paragraphs, there was no mass backlash against Muslims in the UK after 7/7 and 21/7. If there had been the article might have been able to provide some details, which it doesn't. If there were, perhaps some blame might be apportioned to the terrorists themselves, but apparantly not according to this outlet. How dare the evil racist British media report on terrorism!


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    Muslims fear hate attacks as trial of failed suicide bombers gets under way

    By Rauf Klasra

    LONDON: The Muslims living in Britain, particularly from Pakistan, fear for revival of hate crimes, as an aggressive British media starts reporting of a high profile trial of six Muslim suicide bombers, who had plotted to kill hundreds of commuters by exploding bombs after the 7/7 blasts.

    The Muslims here fear that the wide publicity of the “horrible inside details” of the case might revive attacks on the Muslim as it happened after the 7/7 bombings in 2005. Mostly the Pakistanis become the targets of hate attacks, whenever, a terrorist plot is unfolded and “intriguing links of the terrorist are traced to Pakistan”.

    Details of a foiled plot were divulged for first time, when the trial of the six accused began the other day. These bombers had vowed in a London mosque to bomb the innocent Londoners but did not detonate the bombs due to luck of passengers.

    The proceedings of the case were the lead story in the British media. On Tuesday, the scenes of drama and terror on the London Underground — as panic-stricken passengers fled from one of the alleged 21/7 bombers — were shown to the jury at Woolwich Crown Court, the trial is under way. A CCTV footage showed Ramzi Mohammed trying to make a failed attempt to detonate his rucksack bomb on a train just outside Oval Tube station.

    The pictures showed the 25-year-old, Ramzi boarding the busy train with a rucksack, and deliberately turning with his back towards a woman and her child before detonating the bomb on July 21, 2005, exactly two weeks after the 7/7 bombings. Panic ensued as passengers desperately tried to flee the scene. The driver of the train, which was travelling from Stockwell to Oval on the Northern Line, however, carried on until he reached an open platform.

    The one-minute footage also showed a fireman, Angus Campbell, tried to remonstrate with the alleged attacker. It reveals Ramzi and Campbell alone in the carriage at 12.26pm. At one point, Ramzi dropped the rucksack to the ground and pointed at it repeatedly, pretending he had no idea what was happening.

    The scene was described to the court by prosecutor Nigel Sweeney. “He was wearing a hooded top with the words ‘New York’ across the chest, no doubt not a coincidence but intended to refer to the events of 9/11,” Sweeney told the court before screening of the footage.

    “As he waited to board the train a fellow traveller noticed that he appeared to be whispering to himself, He boarded the second carriage of the train. The carriage was quite full. He stood. He left his fingerprint on one of the yellow poles in the carriage,” Sweeney said.

    “Amongst those ... in the carriage with him was a woman called Nadia, who had her small child with her in a buggy, and a fireman called Angus Campbell. Whilst the train was in the tunnel between the stations, (Ramzi) Mohammed turned so that his rucksack was facing mother and child, and fired the bomb. As we now know, the detonator fired but the main charge did not and, as you will see, people fled from the carriage in panic. Campbell, the fireman, was made of firmer stuff and he remained and remonstrated with Mohammed. Mohammed said: ‘What’s the matter? It was wasn’t me, it was that,’ pointing to the rucksack. He placed the rucksack on the floor of the carriage. No doubt the best he could do, being surprised to find himself alive,” Sweeny added.

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    Just more nutty extremism out of Pakistan.
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    • #3
      They don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of viewing people as individuals, which is why they assume that Britons will be whipped into an anti-muslim frenzy by this. Basically, they project their xenophobic feelings onto others.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Caligastia
        They don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of viewing people as individuals, which is why they assume that Britons will be whipped into an anti-muslim frenzy by this. Basically, they project their xenophobic feelings onto others.
        I did a double-take when I saw who posted this...
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        • #5
          I wonder if we read the same article.

          The only reason you post this thread is because of the two first paragraphs. The rest of the article explains how the terrorists killed innocent londoners, and how one currently facing trial (who failed the attack, obviously) was actively trying to murder a woman and baby. I really wonder how you can claim that "perhaps some blame might be apportioned to the terrorists themselves, but apparantly not according to this outlet", considering that they blame the terrorists for almost all of the article.


          But well, even if the article was only two-paragraph long, your thread-title and OP still don't mirror the article honestly.
          The article reports that the British Muslims fear a backlash from the population, as there's an intensive ("aggressive") media campaign about the trials. Well, duh. There are always risks of anti-Muslim backlashes whenever Islamic terror makes it big on the news, so I can understand that people are afraid about it.
          Just like the French Jews are afraid of an antisemitic backlash whenever there's a big mediatic problem between Israel and a neighbouring Arab country. Whether it actually happens or not, one can understand that the community is worried, considering that there are quite a few bigots out there.
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          • #6
            Re: British media accused of inciting hate crimes by reporting terrorist trial.

            Originally posted by Cort Haus
            Despite the claims in the first two paragraphs, there was no mass backlash against Muslims in the UK after 7/7 and 21/7. If there had been the article might have been able to provide some details, which it doesn't. If there were, perhaps some blame might be apportioned to the terrorists themselves, but apparantly not according to this outlet. How dare the evil racist British media report on terrorism!
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            British Muslims did not suffer a backlash of abuse and attacks in the wake of the July 2005 London bombings, the Director of Public Prosecutions said.

            Only 12 offenders motivated by religious hatred were prosecuted in the whole of England and Wales in the month after the suicide bombings that killed 52 people, he revealed.

            Of these only six cases involved attackers who told police that they acted because of the bombs on underground trains and a bus.

            The findings suggest that widespread fears about reprisals against Muslims in the aftermath of the terror attacks were misplaced.

            However, overall race-related crimes rose by more than a quarter last year.


            The final line is amusing, when taken in relation to the preceding paragraphs.
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            • #7
              Since 9/11, I've been saying that the outcome of the War on Terror will depend upon how it is perceived.

              If view correctly, as a war between civilzation and fanatical religous barbarians, we'll win. But if perceived as al Qaueda sees it, as a Christian-Islamic war, it will be long, bloody, and no one will win.

              This story reflect further movement towards the al Qaeda version.

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              • #8
                Because of their "we're all brothers" approach they'll always feel victimized and afraid.
                Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                • #9
                  Spiff, you're up to your usual distortions. I wonder if we're living on the same planet.

                  The bulk of the article does indeed refer to the details of the attempted bombings. But this is OK, as it's not meant for a British audience. The assumption of the first two paras is precisely that the British public should not be made aware of these details, because of the clear implication that they are a bunch of racist loons needing only the slightest excuse to launch mass pogroms.

                  In the light of the facts - as detailed in the quote in Dauphin's post :
                  Which part of "might revive attacks on the Muslim" do you not understand?
                  Which part of "aggressive British media" do you not understand?

                  While they blame the terrorists for the act of terrorism itself, the idea that terrorism might damage the interests of muslims by damaging race relations (one of the intentions of such terror attacks) is clearly subordinate to the idea that the blame for any such damage should lie with the British media and public.

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                  • #10
                    The British media is agreessive though. What this guy doesn't seem to understand (or is simply ignoring) is that the media is like that to everyone, not just Muslims...
                    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      Just more nutty extremism out of Pakistan.
                      Hush you. These are our friends (until they bite us in the ass).
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                      • #12
                        Where does the article allege the British media is inciting hate crimes? It merely reports that the British media is reporting on the trial, and since it's a Pakistani newspaper it gives a Pakistani-centric take on it, stating that Muslims (Presumably its readers in London) fear that they may suffer as a result.

                        If a British newspaper reported that people in the UK were concerned about taking trips to Arabic countries because of possible revenge attacks resulting from the war, would that mean they're also accusing someone (Bush and Blair) of inciting racial hatred?

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                        • #13
                          Gibsie, are you on a wind-up? I'm tired of running around repasting quotes from the article for people who are determined to read it with their eyes shut.

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                          • #14
                            you've got to wonder why it says pakistani muslims are especially at risk, considering that those currently on trial for 21/07, all hail from africa.
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                            • #15
                              I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't consider an aggressive media - or accusations thereof - to be a bad thing.

                              The Pakistani newspaper saying it "might revive attacks on Muslims" fails simply because there aren't really attacks to revive. If some Muslims really do worry about attacks, should it not be reported lest British newspapers take offense?

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