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    Last update - 09:14 16/01/2007

    Last update - 09:14 16/01/2007
    Secret understandings reached between representatives of Israel, Syria
    By Akiva Eldar, Haaretz Correspondent

    In a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006, Syrians and Israelis formulated understandings for a peace agreement between Israel and Syria.

    The main points of the understandings are as follows:

    # An agreement of principles will be signed between the two countries, and following the fulfillment of all commitments, a peace agreement will be signed.

    # As part of the agreement on principles, Israel will withdraw from the Golan Heights to the lines of 4 June, 1967. The timetable for the withdrawal remained open: Syria demanded the pullout be carried out over a five-year period, while Israel asked for the withdrawal to be spread out over 15 years.

    # At the buffer zone, along Lake Kinneret, a park will be set up for joint use by Israelis and Syrians. The park will cover a significant portion of the Golan Heights. Israelis will be free to access the park and their presence will not be dependent on Syrian approval.

    # Israel will retain control over the use of the waters of the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret.

    # The border area will be demilitarized along a 1:4 ratio (in terms of territory) in Israel's favor.

    # According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.

    # Click for map of territorial arrangements

    The document is described as a "non-paper," a document of understandings that is not signed and lacks legal standing - its nature is political. It was prepared in August 2005 and has been updated during a number of meetings in Europe.

    The meetings were carried out with the knowledge of senior officials in the government of former prime minister Ariel Sharon. The last meeting took place during last summer's war in Lebanon.

    Government officials received updates on the meetings via the European mediator and also through Dr. Alon Liel, a former director general at the Foreign Ministry, who took part in all the meetings.

    The European mediator and the Syrian representative in the discussions held eight separate meetings with senior Syrian officials, including Vice President Farouk Shara, Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, and a Syrian intelligence officer with the rank of "general."

    The contacts ended after the Syrians demanded an end to meetings on an unofficial level and called for a secret meeting at the level of deputy minister, on the Syrian side, with an Israeli official at the rank of a ministry's director general, including the participation of a senior American official. Israel did not agree to this Syrian request.

    The Syrian representative in the talks, Ibrahim (Abe) Suleiman, an American citizen, had visited Jerusalem and delivered a message to senior officials at the Foreign Ministry regarding the Syrian wish for an agreement with Israel. The Syrians also asked for help in improving their relations with the United States, and particularly in lifting the American embargo on Syria.

    For his part, the European mediator stressed that the Syrian leadership is concerned that the loss of petroleum revenues will lead to an economic crash in the country and could consequently undermine the stability of the Assad regime.

    According to Geoffrey Aronson, an American from the Washington-based Foundation for Middle East Peace, who was involved in the talks, an agreement under American auspices would call for Syria to ensure that Hezbollah would limit itself to being solely a political party.

    He also told Haaretz that Khaled Meshal, Hamas' political bureau chief, based in Damascus, would have to leave the Syrian capital.

    Syria would also exercise its influence for a solution to the conflict in Iraq, through an agreement between Shi'a leader Muqtada Sadr and the Sunni leadership, and in addition, it would contribute to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the refugee problem.

    Aronson said the idea of a park on the Golan Heights allows for the Syrian demand that Israel pull back to the June 4 border, on the one hand, while on the other hand, the park eliminates Israeli concerns that Syrians will have access to the water sources of Lake Kinneret.

    "This was a serious and honest effort to find creative solutions to practical problems that prevented an agreement from being reached during Barak's [tenure as prime minister] and to create an atmosphere of building confidence between the two sides," he said.

    It also emerged that one of the Syrian messages to Israel had to do with the ties between Damascus and Tehran. In the message, the Alawi regime - the Assad family being members of the Alawi minority - asserts that it considers itself to be an integral part of the Sunni world and that it objects to the Shi'a theocratic regime, and is particularly opposed to Iran's policy in Iraq. A senior Syrian official stressed that a peace agreement with Israel will enable Syria to distance itself from Iran.

    Liel refused to divulge details about the meetings but confirmed that they had taken place. He added that meetings on an unofficial level have been a fairly common phenomenon during the past decade.

    "We insisted on making the existence of meetings known to the relevant parties," Liel said. "Nonetheless, there was no official Israeli connection to the content of the talks and to the ideas that were raised during the meetings."

    Prior to these meetings, Liel was involved in an effort to further secret talks between Syria and Israel with the aid of Turkish mediation - following a request for assistance President Assad had made to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    That attempt failed following Israel's refusal to hold talks on an official level - and a Syrian refusal to restrict the talks to an "academic level," similar to the framework of the talks that had preceded the Oslo accords.

    There was no initial formal response from the Prime Minister's Office after the story broke early on Tuesday. But the Israel Radio quoted unnamed senior Israeli officials as stating that Israel is not holding contacts with Syria.
    Dunno 'bout you, but they didn't told me about it!
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  • #2
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    • #3
      Can't be too secret if we found out.
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      • #4
        Maybe, but "secret talks" makes a much better title than just "talks" :tinfoil hat:
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        • #5
          uh, but it's not a deal made, so it's too early to get excited.
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          I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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          • #6
            in the past unofficial talks have taken place between Israeli private citizens with ties to the political establishment, and similarly placed Pals, resulting in the "Geneva Accords" which, while unofficial, are considered by many as helpful to laying out the direction of the peace process.

            It may be that that is what is going on here, possibly with winks from the respective govts. And with plausible deniability.

            We shall see.

            Certainly turning Syria away from Iran would be of great benefit to Israel and to the USA. Some of the solutions appear creative.

            Im not sure it will be that easy for Syria to disentangle itself from Hamas, Hezb, and Iran. Iran likely has deep ties at this point to Syrian intell and military. Think of what happens when you break an alliance in a Paradox game - I suspect Syria is risking major instability.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #7
              Well it doesn't really strike me as a natural alliance given the Sunni/Shia divide.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Well it doesn't really strike me as a natural alliance given the Sunni/Shia divide.
                Many alliances aren't. It doesn't do a lot of good to consider Syrian actions in terms of sectarian allegiances, but in terms of realpolitik. The same can be almost be said for Iran.

                And getting Israel out of the Golan Heights while getting Syria out of Lebanon (actually out of Lebanon, not claiming to be out of Lebanon) would be a very good step. I just hope that the agreement is such that Israel cannot unilaterally pull out.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Well it doesn't really strike me as a natural alliance given the Sunni/Shia divide.
                  The Assad regime can play that either way. The Assads, like most of the Syrian military elite, are Allawis. Allawis these days call themselves Shia, but in fact their fairly secretive religion included elements of Christianity and paganism as well, IIUC. When the French were there they emphasized their closeness to Christianity. When the French left, their cover was being twelver shia (the more mainstream brand of Shia practiced in Iran) In general the Allawi youth werent Shia fundies, but tended to go secularist-modernist-nationalist, and to make their way in the military, which was more open than other parts of Syrian society. Natural Baathists, thus. The traditional Syrian Sunni elite, from whom they seized power, never liked them, so they were naturally isolated from the broader Sunni world and natural allies for Iran. Bbut they could never be as avowedly Shia as the Islamic Republic of Iran, even IF they were religious, and even IF Allawism really was Shiism.


                  Note that this is one reason getting out of Lebanon is so painful. The percentage of Shia in Lebnon (even if they are twelver Shia, not Allawis) is much higher than that in "lesser Syria". A Greater Syria including Lebanon would be more communally balanced, and easier for the Assads and their friends to rule.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #10
                    Wouldn't surprise me.

                    Then again, we "almost" had a deal some ten times now.

                    Having a ready made deal is no reason to cool off. One could try and bargain his way for more, using violence.

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