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Originally posted by David Floyd
Another example would be the Canadians in WW1. They very often chewed up the Germans in even contests, IIRC.
Canadian Pros, or volunteers? Against first line conscripts, or aged reservists? And a valiant win, or hot knife through butter?
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
Why are we even talking about this tangent anyway? Canada lacks the ability to project signifigant power onto Israel and vice versa.
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british pros, the bestest in the world, and top notch French Paras, against pitiful Egyptians.
From Wiki
"Acting in concert with British forces, 500 heavily-armed paratroopers of the French 2ème RPC (Régiment Parachutiste Colonial), hastily redeployed from combat in Algeria, jumped over the al-Raswa bridges from Nordatlas transports of the ET (Escadrille de Transport) 1/61 and ET 3/61, together with some combat engineers of the Guards Independent Parachute Company. Despite the loss of two soldiers, the western bridge was swiftly secured by the paras, and Corsairs of the Aéronavale 14F and 15F flew a series of close-air-support missions, destroying several SU-100s. F-84Fs also hit two large oil storage tanks in Port Said, which went up in flames and covered most of the city in a thick cloud of smoke for the next several days. Egyptian resistance varied, with some positions fighting back until destroyed, while others were abandoned with little resistance.
In the afternoon, 522 additional French paras of the 1re REP ([Régiment Étranger Parachutiste, Foreign Legion 1st Para Regiment) were dropped near Port Fuad. These were also constantly supported by the Corsairs of the French Aéronavale, which flew very intensive operations: for example, although the French carrier LaFayette developed catapult problems, no less than 40 combat sorties were completed. In total, 10 French soldiers were killed and 30 injured during the landing and the subsequent battles.
British commandos of No. 45 Commando assaulted by helicopter, meeting stiff resistance, with shore batteries striking several helicopters, while friendly fire from British carrier-borne aircraft caused heavy casualties to 45 Commando and HQ. Street fighting and house clearing, with strong opposition from well-entrenched Egyptian sniper positions, caused further casualties.
Good performance yes. Better than Israelis - well I'll have to read more about the Suez campaign. Hot knife through butter - hardly. (and note these were the dregs of the Egyptian army, IIUC, THEIR elite units were facing the Israelis)
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Most "Western" countries had either a professional army or armies with large professional units at the time.
So, what scenario are we going to set up? What about a divisional-sized, open field engagement, with equal numbers of supporting air power, between the IDF on defense and, say, the Canadian army on offense. You claim Canada would have won that? In 1967?
I guess my point would be, though, that those are false comparisons anyway. The IDF was structured to face the enemies it reasonably expected to face - Arab conscript armies. If Israel ever faced a Soviet tank army that the Arabs allowed to march through and invade, it was going to lose anyway, so why plan to fight that?
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why are we even talking about this tangent anyway? Canada lacks the ability to project signifigant power onto Israel and vice versa.
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why are we even talking about this tangent anyway? Canada lacks the ability to project signifigant power onto Israel and vice versa.
the superiority of pros vs conscripts, and the overrating of the IDF, are two of KHs obsessions. They pop up a lot. It would be interesting if instead of arguing about it, he could cite a published military authority who agrees with him (on the latter, that is)
He also seems to have fantasies about a Canadian-Israeli war. I see this in the context of the war of 1812 trolling.
The actual comparison of two armies that have never in fact fought each other, is not an easy thing, as folks who design war games could probably tell you.
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Good performance yes. Better than Israelis - well I'll have to read more about the Suez campaign. Hot knife through butter - hardly. (and note these were the dregs of the Egyptian army, IIUC, THEIR elite units were facing the Israelis)
Paras and RM Commandos are an aggressive bunch, so high casualties could be the result of over-eagerness to advance on objective, fuk-all.
Also, don't discount the inherent difficulty of opposed air- and heli-borne assaults.
KH IDF is arguably the most experienced army in the world, with the best doctrine (at least for its own region/terrain and versus OOB's of its neighbours) that covers training, tactics, procurement and organisation.
But I'll try an opposed landing by Canada vs Israel, say, March'2007 and tell you how I did .
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
Well, I think KH is right, in a sense. If the IDF ever fought the US Army, it would obviously lose. I'm just not sure that's the point. Israel would do a much better job than the US at pacifying Iraq. Two different force structures with two different institutional missions.
So, what scenario are we going to set up? What about a divisional-sized, open field engagement, with equal numbers of supporting air power, between the IDF on defense and, say, the Canadian army on offense. You claim Canada would have won that? In 1967?
Yes. In fact, they might have won it easier than today. IIRC we started ****ing with the military in the 70s (downsizing).
I guess my point would be, though, that those are false comparisons anyway. The IDF was structured to face the enemies it reasonably expected to face - Arab conscript armies. If Israel ever faced a Soviet tank army that the Arabs allowed to march through and invade, it was going to lose anyway, so why plan to fight that?
Well, of course. Israel needed (and needs?) more men than it can reasonably support in the same type of professional structure as the US army. If they were tooling up to figt professionals they would have organised differently, assuming they aren't stupid. My point to drake, 3 pages ago, was simply that Canada has a small, very capable, professional force with greater power projection capailities than the Israelis, who I first brought into it in order to provide an example of a similarly-budgeted force which was able to build a nuclear deterrent.
A large number of nukes are not at all a strain for any first world nation. When you have dozens of reactors running you can build them with your eyes closed.
A Israelo-Canadian war would be awesome. If Sweden ever acquired air-/sealift for our vaunted int'l engagements unit, maybe we could give them a helping hand.
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