Document: Iran funding both sides of Iraqi civil war

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Uhm, WRONG.

The first targetted countries would be sunni atheist led countries, such as Jordan and Syria. While Iran is Shiite, it is not atheist.

It is also quite more threatening (more powerful). Any Al-Qaeda rule over Iraq, but have to be with Iran's blessing, therefore Iran could not be their next target.

Says you (and you might be right)

But al Qaeda is Sunni-based and view Shi'tes as heretics.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Uhm, WRONG.

The first targetted countries would be sunni atheist led countries, such as Jordan and Syria. While Iran is Shiite, it is not atheist.

Actually, Syria is not much of a target overall. Egfypt and KSA are the biggest target, being either the largest Arab state or the home of the holy places.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Remind me again why Iran has a vested interest in Iraqi stability. That being the ultimate carrot for entering into negotiations with them.

Iran has a vested interest in a weak pro-Iranian Iraq.
As for negotiations with them, there is no reason not to speak with them. Speaking with somoene does not equal agreeing, or even coming to consensus if the two sides are trully too far apart.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by GePap


Actually, Syria is not much of a target overall. Egfypt and KSA are the biggest target, being either the largest Arab state or the home of the holy places.

Unless you've got some sound evidence that the Syrian's have faked several attempts at terrorist attacks at them, in the last couple of years, I'd doubt your claims.

Not to say that Egypt and Jordan (WTF is KSA?) are the biggest targets... But in the context of things - Syria and Jordan are closest to Iraq, and Syria is definitly seen as a heretic in the eyes of Jihadists.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Says you (and you might be right)

But al Qaeda is Sunni-based and view Shi'tes as heretics.

True.

But Al-Qaeda sees westerners as even more of heretics.

This is where Humeini revolutionized modern Islam - he put the fight against non-muslims as more important that the fight against different muslim sects.

And while neither Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-Qaeda are Shiite, that change of priorities has affected them deeply, and effectively led to their rise and campaign of terror.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
True.

But Al-Qaeda sees westerners as even more of heretics.

This is where Humeini revolutionized modern Islam - he put the fight against non-muslims as more important that the fight against different muslim sects.

And while neither Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-Qaeda are Shiite, that change of priorities has affected them deeply, and effectively led to their rise and campaign of terror.

I think you overestimate the impact of Khomeini - sectarian and tribal divisions run deep, and have for centuries. If it was as you say, we wouldn't be seeing the sort of sectarian violence there is in Iraq.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by LordShiva
I think you overestimate the impact of Khomeini - sectarian and tribal divisions run deep, and have for centuries. If it was as you say, we wouldn't be seeing the sort of sectarian violence there is in Iraq.

You're talking about different things here.

The sectarian violence in Iraq is really sectarian, and is fueled by aid from Iran, AQ, Hezbullah, Syria, Saudi Arabia, distant jihadists and what not. The Iraqis are not interested in Khomeini or ideology. They are interested in ruling their piece of land.

Khomeini's effect was on extreme Jihadist groups - not on plain common folk.

The next goal for AQ is not really to destroy every Shiite / Shiite regime. It is to destroy non-muslims regimes, which they hate most (Syria, Jordan, Egypt)

Then western regimes (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt), and the West (Teh Amrika and Teh ZOG)

Then Shiites (Iran... parts of Lebanon).

[germanos]

In other news:

The Israeli deputy minister of Defense, Ephraim Sneh, calls for international action against Iran, which "ulterior goal should be the overthrow of the Irani regime".

Meanwhile, his superior, Amir Peretz, has given the go-ahead for the building of a new colonist settlement on the west-bank.

[Sirotnikov]

Stop threadjacking.

[TCO]

They should just annex all that war-won territory and throw out the Pals to Jordan. What is the Gaza strip anyhow? It's not even geographically contiguous to the West Bank. Plus its on the Mediterranean. Oh...and Sinai. What up with giving that away?

P.s. I don't know if I really beleive this.

[Drake Tungsten]

They should just annex all that war-won territory and throw out the Pals to Jordan.

This is probably the only real solution. Never going to happen, though...

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Stop threadjacking.

Stop being a hypocritical bastard.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Unless you've got some sound evidence that the Syrian's have faked several attempts at terrorist attacks at them, in the last couple of years, I'd doubt your claims.

Those attacks have been minor at best. Turkey has seen more serious attacks, and yet did not make your list, now did it?

Not to say that Egypt and Jordan (WTF is KSA?) are the biggest targets... But in the context of things - Syria and Jordan are closest to Iraq, and Syria is definitly seen as a heretic in the eyes of Jihadists.

KSA, as in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Most foreign jihadists are Egyptians of Saudi's, and there is a reason for that.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by dannubis
Stop being a hypocritical bastard.

Hypocritical my ass, you b*tch.

Do something about Darfuor where tens of thousands are being slaughtered in an organized mass murder. Until then - refrain from using the word "hypocritical", or talking about Israeli policing measures.


Oh, I forgot.

You are against "rattling things up" by removing the regime of Saddam Hussein - who killed millions of arabs (Iran-Iraq wars, inner Iraq purging, invasion of Quwait).

Yet you find time to criticise Israel, which in all of its "wars of agression" killed around 70 thousand people, probably less than 10% of them Palestinian.

So shut your hypocritical yap, will you?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by GePap
Those attacks have been minor at best. Turkey has seen more serious attacks, and yet did not make your list, now did it?

Actually you're correct.
I forgot about turkey.

I still don't think they'll move to destabilize it so quickly, because the army is too strong.

Jordan would be the first target. Being both easy and close.

Then Egypt cause it is easy. And Syria cause it's close.

Turkey I doubt - but you could be right.

Iran is definitely not next.

KSA, as in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Most foreign jihadists are Egyptians of Saudi's, and there is a reason for that. [/q]
Yah.
They resent their "puppet" governments. Puppet governments who turn the blind eye to jihadists, ifthey direct their actions to OTHER nations.