FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Odin
I pretty much agree with Oerdin. The anti-GMO BS is the left-wing equivalent of the Creationists and Global Warming denialists on the Right. The whole anti-GMO movement is nothing more then BS from the "messing with nature is bad" branch of luddites who abuse the "precautionary priciple" in order to stifle progress.

QFT

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Wezil

If you want to eat GM, go ahead. I simply ask to know what producers are putting in their products so I can make that choice for myself.

They are virtually indistinguishable and thus forcing warning labels on them is an unnecissary and unfair burden. It is nothing more then an attempt to scare monger the gullible into believing that corn is not corn or that beef is not beef.

[Dinner]

The nuts example is a red herring. Some people will literally die if they eat peanuts so there is a convincing medical case for the additional costs of labeling. Also it is relatively easy for a processor to determine is an ingrediate contains nuts.

There is no compelling case that GMO has EVER harmed anyone even after a decade and a half of extensive scutiny and all new GMO products undergo 5-10 years of testing prior to being allowed on the market. It is an extreme burden to expect a bakery to track down where every farm which grew the wheat in the processed flour was and exactly what type of wheat they were growing. Wheat is wheat and as long as you list wheat as an ingredient then the consumer is fully informed. This would be like demanding to know exactly what type of sub species of wheat went into each bag of flour. The anwser is any of dozens of different types and the baker who uses the processed flour has no idea which ones.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Wezil
So if a company wants to substitute horse meat (perfectly healthy) for beef in their product they should be under no requirement to inform the consumer?

It is about informed choice.

That's illegal because then the consumer would be mislead. He wanted beef and you sold him horse meat instead. Obvious deciption. You ask for wheat flour and he gives you wheat flour so there is no deciption. You're demanding that the company which mills the wheat into flour know the origin of every grain he's milling.

That's an unreasonable burden which can't realistically be achieved at most commercial sized operations which mills tons of the stuff every hour. Sure, some small time milling company will court the loony market and they will be successful. That's great and that's the market working as it should. Placing a huge burden on the entire industry forcing everyone to pay higher prices to satisfy the loony fringe is not reasonable.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Wezil

The big money industry is fighting against someone's concerns.

They're arguing against unfair, unnecissary, and scientifically irrational demands of a few people. Everyone shouldn't be forced to pay for the irrationality of a minority. If you feel so strongly then go to your local "organic" hippy market and only shop there. Realize you will pay 50%-200% more for every item but if that is your choice then feel free. Everyone else shouldn't be forced to suffer because of your feelings. Let them label beef as beef and then let the market decide if it wants to pay the premium for special labels.

[GePap]

IN the end some companies will start putting "not from cloned animals" labels on their beef because they know people would find that reassuring. Whether its madanted by law to label or not, labelling will happen, because the market does not want cloned foods, the market being made up of those ludditic ignorant masses.

Isn;t the market grand?

[SlowwHand]

There's a variation of that word. I recognize it. I can tell.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap
IN the end some companies will start putting "not from cloned animals" labels on their beef because they know people would find that reassuring. Whether its madanted by law to label or not, labelling will happen, because the market does not want cloned foods, the market being made up of those ludditic ignorant masses.

Isn;t the market grand?

That's the solution I'm looking for. Let companies who want to play to irrational fears do so and let everyone else go on with their lives.

The market.

[Dinner]

In another one of those GMO improves efficency and makes the world a better place type of stories scientists at MIT have declared that they have genetically engineered a superior form of yeast which produces 50% more ethanol in slightly less time.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/biofuels.html

It's not much use for making cellulosic ethanol but it can increase the speed of production from regular sugar sources (normally sugar cane or corn) by 50%. GMO

[asleepathewheel]

I'm pro cloning and genetic engineering, but I can imagine an Oerdin in 50 years arguing similarly for Soylent Green. Protein is just protein, whether its from a cow or a person. its good for ya!

[Imran Siddiqui]

It'd solve the homeless problem at least

[Q Classic]

Exactly! And at least they'll finally be contributing to society as a whole.

[SlowwHand]

Oerdin is a very bad man.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It'd solve the homeless problem at least

Yes, that would take care of that problem very nicely.

once you liquify it, you can't tell if its old homeless whino or young homeless crackheadprostitute. mmm

[Dinner]

See, the problem with liquify prostitutes is then your left wondering if some of that "protein" wasn't from one of her johns.