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  • Arya, Dravida, aneeshm, LordShiva, Vedic and classical Hinduism, and much more

    Quoting from the Somalia UIC vs. Ethiopia thread, in response to Shiva asserting that the northies forced the southies to the south:


    Why is it then that the purest forms of the Vedic religion (the supposedly Arya religion) are practised in the South, even when the North could not preserve them in the face of Muslim attacks? Why is it that all our great heroes are dark-skinned (Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Vishna, everyone is dark-skinned)? Why have most of the later Great Hindu people come out of the South (Adi Shankara, Ramanuja, et al)?

    I'd say that there was no invasion. But if you want to draw sustenance from this delusional fantasy, go right ahead. If that is the line you take, I'll prove to you that the South and North conquered each other simultaneously, thus making the whole divisiveness thing pointless.

    The South conquered because its ideals of God (the trinity of B-V-M) conquered and supplanted the older Indra bunch and by preaching the purest forms of the Arya religion, whereas the North conquered by making its texts and ideals the standards under which the South could accomplish this. All the major Arya gods become dark-skinned, and all the South became the bastion of pure Hinduism.

    So drawing distinctions now is meaningless - both have formed one unified culture, in which neither has lost anything of their past reverences, nor have there been any real racial conflicts (Indians are really one race, genetically, and the so-called differences between Arya and Dravida have been shown to be non-existent).
    What's the Lord's opinion?

  • #2
    Is there a country called India?
    I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

    Asher on molly bloom

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    • #3
      Assertion 1: At one point in time, there were no human inhabitants in India.

      Assertion 2: At some point, human inhabitants migrated to India

      Hypothesis 1: The descendants of these immigrants formed the Indus Valley civilization in N. India and Pakistan, and are the Dravidians.

      Assertion 3: The Indus Valley civilization died out around 2000 BC.

      Assertion 4: The vedas of the Aryans speak of fair-skinned people encountering citadels of dark-skinned, flat-nosed "Dasyus." The fair-skinned protagonists here are the Aryans.

      Conclusion 1: The Aryans arrived from elsewhere as well (see assertions 1 and 2).

      Hypothesis 2: Sharing a language group with other groups of people from the Caucasus ("Caucasians"), offshoots of whom include the Mitanni of the Middle East who spoke a language closely related to Sanskrit, sharing similar customs as those people (fire worship, etc.), leads me to assert that the Aryans came to India from that geographic area.

      Assertion 5: The Aryans burned and conquered several Dasyu villages, as graphically described in the Vedas with glorious invocations of their fire god.

      Hypothesis 3: The surviving Dasyus, preferring not to be burned and conquered, decided to move elsewhere, viz., South.

      Assertion 4: A caste system developed in which fairer skinned warriors and priests were considered of higher birth than darker skinned servants.

      Observation 1: This matches nicely with the chromatic characteristics and political relationship of the two ethnic groups mentioned earlier.

      Hypothesis 4: Over time, through intermarriage, conversion, syncretion, etc., the religion of the vedas spreads through India, and the genetic line between the groups blurs. Since many generations have passed, it is now fair to say that these inhabitants of India are native to India.

      aneeshm's history kicks in here.
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        I'm glad the internet has reached the Indians
        www.my-piano.blogspot

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        • #5
          Maybe this time they will resist and not be forced to live in reservations in subhuman conditions...

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          • #6
            @ LordShiva

            In your timeline, when was the Ramayana written?

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            • #7
              The events that inspired it probably happened around 1200-1000 BC, and it was put into writing probably around 500 BC.
              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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              • #8
                No, I mean about where does it fit into your timeline - at what point in the timeline was it written (before or after what events)?

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                • #9
                  Similar to Homer´s troy story then?
                  I need a foot massage

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aneeshm
                    No, I mean about where does it fit into your timeline - at what point in the timeline was it written (before or after what events)?
                    After, I think.
                    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                    • #11
                      So you're saying that the Arya were assimilated (or rather, that they assimilated the Dravidas) before 1200 BC?

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                      • #12
                        There was probably much syncretion by then. Definitely by 500 BC, when the thing was written (that the written version doesn't exactly mirror history is given).
                        THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                        AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                        AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                        DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LordShiva
                          There was probably much syncretion by then. Definitely by 500 BC, when the thing was written (that the written version doesn't exactly mirror history is given).
                          Enough syncretion that Rama would be dark-skinned, the villain would be a Brahmin ( both of which go contradictory to the upper caste= Arya theory), the author of the epic would be an outcaste by birth, and the most loyal servant of the hero would be a monkey-man-god?

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                          • #14
                            Easily. We're talking several hundred years.
                            THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                            AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                            AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                            DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                            • #15
                              1. Northern Indians speak Indo-European languages dirived from Sanskrit

                              2. The Indo-European language family had it's origins ammong the early pastorialists who lived on the grasslands north of the Black Sea. during the late Neolithic and early Bronze Age. These people where the first to domesticate the horse.

                              3. Following the collpase of the Harrapan Civilization thereis a surge of nomadic peoples into the NW Indian subcontinent, this surge is associated with migrations of speakers of Proto-Indo-Iranian into the Middle East (Persians and Mitannians) from central Asia

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