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    'Virgin births' for giant lizards
    A parthenogenic Komodo dragon hatching from its egg (Ian Stephen)

    The largest lizards in the world are capable of "virgin births".

    Scientists report of two cases where female Komodo dragons have produced offspring without male contact.

    Tests revealed their eggs had developed without being fertilised by sperm - a process called parthenogenesis, the team wrote in the journal Nature.

    One of the reptiles, Flora, a resident of Chester Zoo in the UK, is awaiting her clutch of eight eggs to hatch, with a due-date estimated around Christmas.

    Kevin Buley, a curator at Chester Zoo and a co-author on the paper, said: "Flora laid her eggs at the end of May and, given the incubation period of between seven and nine months, it is possible they could hatch around Christmas - which for a 'virgin birth' would finish the story off nicely.

    "We will be on the look-out for shepherds, wise men and an unusually bright star in the sky over Chester Zoo."

    Flora, who has never been kept with a male Komodo dragon, produced 11 eggs earlier this year. Three died off, providing the material needed for genetic tests.

    Flora the Komodo dragon (Chester Zoo archives)
    Flora had never been kept with male Komodo dragons

    These revealed the offspring were not exact genetic copies (clones) of their mother, but their genetic make-up was derived just from her.

    The team concluded they were a result of asexual reproduction, and are waiting for the remaining eight eggs to hatch.

    Abnormal phenomenon?

    Another captive-bred female called Sungai, at London Zoo in the UK, produced four offspring earlier this year - more than two years after her last contact with a male, the scientists reported in the same paper.

    Again, genetic tests revealed the Komodo dragon babies, which are healthy and growing normally, were produced through parthenogenesis.

    Sungai was also able to reproduce sexually, producing another baby offspring after mating with a male called Raja.


    Maybe parthenogenesis is much more widespread and common than previously considered
    Richard Gibson

    Richard Gibson, an author on the paper and a curator at the Zoological Society of London, said: "Parthenogenesis has been described before in about 70 species of vertebrates, but it has always been regarded to be a very unusual, perhaps abnormal phenomenon."

    It has been shown in some snakes, fish, a monitor lizard and even a turkey, he said.

    "But we have seen this in two separate, unrelated female Komodo dragons within a year, so this suggests maybe parthenogenesis is much more widespread and common than previously considered."

    He added: "Because these animals were in captivity for years without male access, they reproduced parthenogenetically.

    Komodo dragon born to Sungai (Daniel Sprawson/ZSL)
    Sungai's offspring are doing well

    "But the ability to reproduce parthenogenetically is obviously an ancestral capability."

    He said the lizards could have evolved the ability to reproduce asexually when, for example, a lone female was washed up alone on an island with no males to breed with.

    Because of the genetics of this process, he added, her children would always be male. And like Sungai, she would be able to switch back to sexual reproduction, so she could breed to establish a new colony.

    There are fewer than 4,000 Komodo dragons in the wild, and they are found in three islands in Indonesia: Komodo, Flores and Rinca.

    Adult males can grow up to 3m (10ft) in length and weigh up to 90kg (200lb) - making them the biggest lizards on the planet.

    The researchers said that, to ensure genetic diversity of Komodo dragons kept in captivity, zoos should perhaps keep males and females together to avoid asexual reproduction.
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    I just wanted to post here to congratulate you on your thread title.
    "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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    • #3
      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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      • #4
        I saw this but couldn't come up with a good thread title name so I didn't post it (I've also used my 2 threads for today). This thread does it justice.
        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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        • #5
          Lizard Jesus

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          • #6
            The Pope for this religion

            I need a foot massage

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            • #7
              We must denounce this at once- single motherhood is wrong!
              If you don't like reality, change it! me
              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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              • #8
                And Nature has opened up a new front in the War on Christmas.
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jaguar
                  I just wanted to post here to congratulate you on your thread title.
                  QFT

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                  • #10
                    how do we worship ?

                    great thread
                    anti steam and proud of it

                    CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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                    • #11
                      Take me to your Lizard
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #12
                        One of the reptiles, Flora, a resident of Chester Zoo in the UK, is awaiting her clutch of eight eggs to hatch, with a due-date estimated around Christmas.


                        On Christmas (forwith to be known as Lizardmas) no less! And we get EIGHT Messiahs!
                        "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
                        "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
                        "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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                        • #13
                          Parthenogenic lizards is old news.
                          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                          • #14
                            The Lizard King





                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #15
                              I'm familiar with the London dragons - they live near me and I pop in to see them regularly. The 'belated' births had been attributed to an ability to store seed until they wanted to give birth, so its interesting to see it stated here that this was actually asexual repro.

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