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  • #61
    The latter.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by SlowwHand
      The law is the deterrent. IE: If you murder, your own life is forefeit.
      Assertions from you have about as much value as a Nixon three-dollar bill.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Lazerus
        Yeah kill her, don't care if she's got mental health problems or not. Clean out the genepool.
        Didn't she just do this herself?
        -bondetamp
        The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
        -H. L. Mencken

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          Rufus, that's bad statistics, and I'm not even going to explain why. You're smart enough to know why such a comparison is meaningless.
          How else than by comparing crime rates can you make any claim about the deterrence effect of the DP?
          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


            Actually, if you look at a state-by-state comparison of the US, youo find that states with the death penalty have higher murder rates than states without it. This is true even between states of similar size, similar homgeneity/diversity and similar economic circumstances: Texas (dp) has a higher murder rate than Michigan (no dp), Oklahoma (dp) has a high murder rate than West Virginia (no dp), Virginia (dp) has a higher murder rate than Massachusetts (no dp), etc.

            Proposition: the death penalty actually encourages murder

            Alternate proposition: living in the South encourages murder

            Discuss!
            Well, in all fairness to Texas, there are a lot of stray bullets flying around. Yeehaw!
            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
            "Capitalism ho!"

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            • #66
              No there aren't.
              To get a permit to carry a concealed handgun, you have to pay a fee and take rigorous classes.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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