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  • Do you ever just go into total techno fetish mode?

    I do.

    I guess it started when I was a little kid. Anything electronic was of interest, naturally. Computers really did it though.. C64 was the first one I got my hands on. Then, Amiga 500.. I know many of you guys are older and have experienced older machines. Hey, maybe we have some kind of uber.. person here who has played with really old stuff.. like PDP-1 or TX-0.

    Anyway, that was awesome, anything you could do and see was awesome. You just want to know how it works, how all the bits and things work. How does it all function with the usage of 1's and 0's. How is it possible.. how would you go and make yourself and assembler, how would you make noises come out of that thing. How does the memory work, what about registers, accumulators, transistors, vacuum tubes..

    Then, I also got into electronic music. That was it. You would automatically combine those two together somehow. LIke this is the soundscape of what I feel, but within music as well.

    And I'm not talking about that crap you hear on MTV, no no no.. some real electronic music, some experimental stuff, some dark beats ... it's like cyberpunk, a new reality, you can realize your cyberdreams, your fetishes. I also dig the old party atmosphere, especially those really good warehouse type of places, a little bit cold, dark, some weird lights, weird looking people, LOUD music, general weirdness. You either absolutely love it or just don't get it and it's not for you. But something clicked right then when I was in my first real party. Maybe 2 to 300 people, real underground party, definitely illegal, definitely dark, definitely industrial techno type of atmosphere. It just made sense. It can't be explained, you either love it or don't. It does not need explanation, you can't rationalize it. You only feel it, and it feels weird but safe at the same time.. it's like a really good computer game but you're in it.

    So that took off well in the .. mid 90s I guess. I really miss those parties, can't find a party like that anymore. But you can still have the music so it's all good.

    I was totally sucked in into this cyberpunk type of world, I don't mean like Gibson's stuff, dystopia etc.. just extremely cool technology, all around art. It's like you can visualize and feel the networks, cables, routers, you can see the packets fly. And it's not boring, it's not a cable mess.. it's all kinds of colors, all kidns of futuristic structures.

    It's as if you'd imagine Matrix, but in electronic mode all the way, and way before that movie came out. And all the people who are into the same things, you just click with them. You don't have to explain. YOu mention maybe something you're interested in, be it music, or the way you talk about computers. You instantly know if you have a soul mate there, if you carry the same style and vision. You don't even care who that person is, you're going to be friends.

    You either read cyberpunk in your early years or you didn't. You either played with computers or you didn't. You hated star trek, star wars was OK though. But the world of techno, binary, networks, darkness but not hopeless or sad, new frontier, exploration.. if you were into that, then you are my friend. Because it made sense then, it makes sense now.

    I loved the demo scene too, in fact, I'll go and watch Mindcandy DVD right now. So long.
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    First freezing water, now this...

    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #3








      And that video was the coolest thing I've ever seen. And the music in it STILL rocks.
      In da butt.
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      • #4
        Back away from me, freak
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          2nd reality is still the holy grail Damn that gave my chills to see that again..
          In da butt.
          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
          "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Verto
            wtf pekka?

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            • #7
              You mean dancing to music that sounds like a car alarm?
              I need a foot massage

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              • #8
                No one else suffers from deep relapses into full on techno fetish modes from time to time?
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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                • #9
                  It takes some tech background to appreciate that. I was never "into" the demo scene, but I understand the works. Do you perhaps know how large the file for this presentation is? The 11 minute avi you linked to is over 30 MB. This should give people some idea about the skills involved.

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                  • #10
                    Well, the actual file would be.. definitely less than 5 megs.. definitely. It was 1993.

                    It has everything, and the last scene where the ship is going through the 3D-city is excellent. It recieved standing applauds every time, because it used to play in Assembly (even every year, the biggest in demo scene) every year when the event kicked off, like an official start for the whole thing. So even years after, people applauded loudly, especially in the last scene. Howling, excitement, appreciation, nerds gone wild!

                    So you get that working fully on your 386 and that's just the kind of thing only true masters can do. I repeat, this was in 1993.. and in those days, PC scene was inferior to that of Amiga. That was one of the first PC demos to challenge some Amiga stuff, and later on of course PC scene just went on and bypassed Amiga.

                    But one has to remember, back then, Amiga was seen superior, and there was no way PC could ever beat Amiga.
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                    • #11
                      Yep, Amiga had far better graphics support than 386. I've actually coded some graphics stuff for 386 in assembler because the routines that came prepackaged with programming languages I used (Pascal and C) were very slow. There wasn't any support for advanced stuff. You had video memory and you could write to it. Amiga on the other hand had some hardware support for scrolling large screens and stuff like that. It really meant a lot in those days performance wise.

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                      • #12
                        Sure. Plus, all the good tracks were made with Amiga as well. There weren't any decent soundcards for PC, except maybe GUS at that time as well.

                        Plus you have to remember that all these competitions had very strict limits (still do).. maximum requirements, space etc.. so you had to be optimizing a lot. So what if you can make some cool oscilating circles etc.. you had to make it fit and run. That's a whole different story.

                        Just checked out wikipedia's 2nd reality entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Reality .. seems that it has been chosen to be the 7th of top 10 hacks of all time by Slashdot. Surely not a bad accomplishment.

                        I still myself in the head for missing out the art exhibition, they actually had a real exhibition for this stuff in the main art gallery in Finland (big place).. all these demos, equipment.. lots of art. And I missed it. Still pissed off about that. But it goes to show that there is a real appreciation for these things, and if you realize what it takes to make these things, then you can truly appreciate them. And if you can really put things into perspective, go back to early and mid 90s, you truly can appreciate all those things.

                        That was the cutting edge man... IF you won Assembly contests, like the real main ones like PC demo or what ever, that means you will be in the cutting edge and definitely getting good opportunities.

                        Back in those days, you had to create some of your own applications. Future Crew (2nd reality) made Scream Tracker and I'm sure many are familiar with that in here.

                        When they broke up, they would go on about setting up businesses, such as Futuremark (responsible for 3Dmark) and Remedy (Max Payne).

                        And of course there were tons of other crews as well. That's the hacking mentality, you do what you do for yourself and your friends, it's not like you sit in an office to do these things. Only passion can take you there. When you live and breathe binary, only the sky is the limit.
                        In da butt.
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                        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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                        • #13
                          that second reality video is quite neat.

                          reminds of 90's japanese computer game music.
                          also reminds me of totally awesomely cool Red Alert electronic music tracks!

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                          • #14
                            Yes. Plus, at that time.. it was mindblowing. It's really difficult to do that kind of mind explosion again, because you'd have to push the limits so far.

                            Well, I'll have to get going.. need to grab few beers (onyl few) and see if I can wreck my penis again.
                            In da butt.
                            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                            THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                            "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Do you ever just go into total techno fetish mode?

                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              You either read cyberpunk in your early years or you didn't. You either played with computers or you didn't. You hated star trek, star wars was OK though. But the world of techno, binary, networks, darkness but not hopeless or sad, new frontier, exploration.. if you were into that, then you are my friend. Because it made sense then, it makes sense now.
                              Once-upon-a-time I was techno fetish head, - but I must admit that I'm lapsed.

                              In the day I had a ZX81, my first programming toy - then Oric-1, MZ-80K, Spectrum, Atari ST. I missed out on the Amiga graphics scene, but wrote a few adventure games.

                              At college I got a huge kick out of building a 4-bit reversible cyclic binary shift register out of some kind of diode patchboard. We had to design it ourselves, and I got tripped-out on oil one night and devised a weird binary matrix to encode the logic and it all worked, and the lecturer was surprised because it wasn't the method he'd been teaching us.

                              Then I used the MZ80K to write an expert system to identify whales and dolphins, again using a binary matrix as a logic engine.

                              Great days.

                              Then I got into William Gibson, and Fractals, but rock'n roll intervened and pulled me away from the technosphere. I returned later in the nineties with trance techno and ecstasy and shopping at Cyberdog, and the industrial-goth crossover scene (Slimelight club in London).

                              Then back to rockin' again as the band reformed - and as far as programming goes I just don't give a toss beyond what I need to earn a living (SQL and some proprietary languages).

                              One day, I hope to go back into techno-fetish mode again, but maybe I'll be too old by then....

                              Sign me up anyway, Pekka. I like you because you remind me of myself in my youth. The world was at my feet and anything was possible. It didn't really happen for me, but keep believing, buddy.

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