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    I'm proud of the Pope for his visit he have made to Turkey.

    I wish this trip will help, to establish a sincere dialogue between Christians, Muslims and Jews.

    Turkey having the biggest population of Sufi, having a tradition of separating church and states, (women who wear a head scarf, can't work for the government). Turkey can play a key role to promote peace between the West and the Muslims.

    He even had a meeting with Ali Badakoglu, the meeting was focused on the Raptisbon speech's, the speech the Pope did in September. Al Badakogly read the entire Raptisbon speech and he had a "debate" with the pope about the speech!

    Works well done!


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    MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE
    RELIGIOUS AFFAIRS DIRECTORATE

    Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I am grateful for the opportunity to visit this land, so rich in history and culture, to admire its natural beauty, to witness for myself the creativity of the Turkish people, and to appreciate your ancient culture and long history, both civil and religious.

    As soon as I arrived in Turkey, I was graciously received by the President of the Republic. And it was also a great pleasure for me to meet and greet the Prime Minister, Mr Erdogan, at the airport. In greeting them, I was pleased to express my profound esteem for all the people of this great country and to pay my respects at the tomb of the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atat�rk.

    I now have the joy of meeting you, the President of the Religious Affairs Directorate. I offer you my sentiments of respect, in recognition of your great responsibilities, and I extend my greetings to all the religious leaders of Turkey, especially the Grand Muftis of Ankara and Istanbul. In your person, Mr President, I greet all the Muslims in Turkey with particular esteem and affectionate regard.

    Your country is very dear to Christians: many of the earliest Church communities were founded here and grew to maturity, inspired by the preaching of the Apostles, particularly Saint Paul and Saint John. The tradition has come down to us that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, lived at Ephesus, in the home of the Apostle Saint John.

    This noble land has also seen a remarkable flowering of Islamic civilization in the most diverse fields, including its literature and art, as well as its institutions.

    There are so many Christian and Muslim monuments that bear witness to Turkey�s glorious past. You rightly take pride in these, preserving them for the admiration of the ever increasing number of visitors who flock here.

    I have set out upon my visit to Turkey with the same sentiments as those expressed by my predecessor Blessed John XXIII, when he came here as Archbishop Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli, to fulfil the office of Papal Representative in Istanbul, and I quote him: �I am fond of the Turks�, he said, �to whom the Lord has sent me � I love the Turks, I appreciate the natural qualities of these people who have their own place reserved in the march of civilization� (Journal of a Soul, pp. 228, 233-4).

    For my own part, I also wish to highlight the qualities of the Turkish population. Here I make my own the words of my immediate predecessor, Pope John Paul II of blessed memory, who said on the occasion of his visit in 1979: �I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together, for the benefit of all men, �peace, liberty, social justice and moral values�� (Address to the Catholic Community in Ankara, 28 November 1979).

    These questions have continued to present themselves throughout the intervening years; indeed, as I indicated at the very beginning of my Pontificate, they impel us to carry forward our dialogue as a sincere exchange between friends. When I had the joy of meeting members of Muslim communities last year in Cologne, on the occasion of World Youth Day, I reiterated the need to approach our interreligious and intercultural dialogue with optimism and hope. It cannot be reduced to an optional extra: on the contrary, it is �a vital necessity, on which in large measure our future depends� (Address to representatives of some Muslim Communities, Cologne, 20 August 2005).

    Christians and Muslims, following their respective religions, point to the truth of the sacred character and dignity of the person. This is the basis of our mutual respect and esteem, this is the basis for cooperation in the service of peace between nations and peoples, the dearest wish of all believers and all people of good will.

    For more than forty years, the teaching of the Second Vatican Council has inspired and guided the approach taken by the Holy See and by local Churches throughout the world to relations with the followers of other religions. Following the Biblical tradition, the Council teaches that the entire human race shares a common origin and a common destiny: God, our Creator and the goal of our earthly pilgrimage. Christians and Muslims belong to the family of those who believe in the one God and who, according to their respective traditions, trace their ancestry to Abraham (cf. Second Vatican Council, Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions Nostra Aetate 1, 3). This human and spiritual unity in our origins and our destiny impels us to seek a common path as we play our part in the quest for fundamental values so characteristic of the people of our time. As men and women of religion, we are challenged by the widespread longing for justice, development, solidarity, freedom, security, peace, defence of life, protection of the environment and of the resources of the earth. This is because we too, while respecting the legitimate autonomy of temporal affairs, have a specific contribution to offer in the search for proper solutions to these pressing questions.

    Above all, we can offer a credible response to the question which emerges clearly from today�s society, even if it is often brushed aside, the question about the meaning and purpose of life, for each individual and for humanity as a whole. We are called to work together, so as to help society to open itself to the transcendent, giving Almighty God his rightful place. The best way forward is via authentic dialogue between Christians and Muslims, based on truth and inspired by a sincere wish to know one another better, respecting differences and recognizing what we have in common. This will lead to an authentic respect for the responsible choices that each person makes, especially those pertaining to fundamental values and to personal religious convictions.

    As an illustration of the fraternal respect with which Christians and Muslims can work together, I would like to quote some words addressed by Pope Gregory VII in 1076 to a Muslim prince in North Africa who had acted with great benevolence towards the Christians under his jurisdiction. Pope Gregory spoke of the particular charity that Christians and Muslims owe to one another �because we believe in one God, albeit in a different manner, and because we praise him and worship him every day as the Creator and Ruler of the world.�

    Freedom of religion, institutionally guaranteed and effectively respected in practice, both for individuals and communities, constitutes for all believers the necessary condition for their loyal contribution to the building up of society, in an attitude of authentic service, especially towards the most vulnerable and the very poor.

    Mr President, I should like to finish by praising the Almighty and merciful God for this happy occasion that brings us together in his name. I pray that it may be a sign of our joint commitment to dialogue between Christians and Muslims, and an encouragement to persevere along that path, in respect and friendship. May we come to know one another better, strengthening the bonds of affection between us in our common wish to live together in harmony, peace and mutual trust. As believers, we draw from our prayer the strength that is needed to overcome all traces of prejudice and to bear joint witness to our firm faith in God. May his blessing be ever upon us! Thank you.
    Last edited by CrONoS; December 1, 2006, 13:50.
    bleh

  • #2
    He's trying. Even if he's the Pope, he's a human being first. Human beings make mistakes, misspeak.

    I'm glad he's trying.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      I perceived Pope Benedict as being a more austere and rigid person than this. With this trip, he has risen far above my expectations for him.

      This is one way in which I love to be proven wrong.

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      • #4
        The bomb is not Pope debating religion, the bomb is this:

        Pope reportedly supported the Turkey's EU bid

        Now if true, there's a change of rhetoric. He was opposed before.

        And it's really big news, in my opinion. And very good move

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        • #5
          Organised religion is stupid, throw rocks at it, etc., but well done anyway, Pope B.
          THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
          AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
          AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
          DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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          • #6
            Originally posted by VetLegion
            The bomb is not Pope debating religion, the bomb is this:

            Pope reportedly supported the Turkey's EU bid
            That is a bomb. I always thought the Vatican's formal position was "we're not opposed," and that the Pope was believed to be personally opposed. That seems to be quite a turnaround for the Holy See.
            Lime roots and treachery!
            "Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten

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            • #7
              Originally posted by VetLegion
              Pope reportedly supported the Turkey's EU bid
              Not confirmed by the Vatican - it actually seemed that Erdogan did misquote him, at least that's what's reported here. The pope was generally positive towards Turkey but did not explicitly support the EU entry.
              Blah

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              • #8
                from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6199350.stm (at the end)

                Certainly Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made the most of a private remark to him by the Pope, when the pontiff stepped off his plane in Ankara, to the effect that he welcomed the negotiations now going on in Brussels.

                This was interpreted by Mr Erdogan as full papal support for Turkey, and duly reported as such in the local press.

                But a Vatican official later put a perhaps more realistic spin on the Pope's remarks.

                He pointed out that the Vatican - which incidentally is not a member of the EU - normally takes no stand on purely political issues, while supporting the basic ideals and goals of European unity because of the continent's common Christian roots and traditions.
                Blah

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                • #9
                  Well, any way it happened, Erdogan scored points.

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                  • #10
                    The Pope realizes that nations aren't able to get there act together, so it's up to religion to set the bar.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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