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    REUTERS

    Turkey PM Erdogan snubs Pope: Italian papers
    Thu Nov 2, 2006 8:35 AM ET

    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's decision not to meet Pope Benedict during his visit to Turkey is a diplomatic snub following the pontiff's recent criticism of Islam, Italian commentators said on Thursday.

    "You can paint this any way you want but from a western point of view, this is bad manners," said a front-page editorial in Rome's Il Messaggero newspaper.

    Vatican observers said it was very rare for a head of government to not have some kind of meeting with a visiting pope.

    "Erdogan Snubs Pope," said La Stampa of Turin, which called the lack of a meeting "another cold shower over the trip".

    Erdogan's office said he will be attending a NATO summit in Latvia for the first two days of the Pope's November 28 - December 1 trip and will be busy with other meetings in Turkey after that.

    "If there was a possibility for a meeting the prime minister would have met him," a Turkish government official told Reuters.

    The Vatican has tried to downplay the controversy.

    A spokesman said the Vatican knew from the start of planning for the trip that Erdogan would be out of the country for part of it and was told he would "try for but could not guarantee" a meeting with Pope.

    President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul and other cabinet ministers will be meeting with the Pope, the Turkish officials said. Sezer, a staunch secularist often at odds with Erdogan, a pious Muslim, extended the invitation to the Pope and will be his host in Ankara.

    Benedict's first visit to Turkey has been overshadowed by Muslim anger since a September lecture he gave at a German university in which he quoted a 14th-century Byzantine Emperor in a passage seen as critical of the Prophet Mohammad.

    Leading Turkish newspaper Sabah said Erdogan was "escaping the Pope". Some of the strongest criticism of Benedict has come from Turkey, where nationalists and Islamic activists have pushed for the trip to be canceled.

    The Pope or Vatican officials have said at least a dozen times since that his comments had been misunderstood.

    The papal visit was not officially confirmed until October 16 and its main purpose is a meeting with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual head of the world's Orthodox Christians, to discuss Christian unity.

    The leader of more than one billion Catholics has several times expressed regret for the reaction to the speech but has stopped short of the unequivocal apology wanted by some Muslims.

    Even before the controversy over his comments on Islam, the Pope was already viewed with suspicion in Turkey.

    When he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and worked as the Vatican's top doctrinal official, the future Pope said he was against Turk


    SABAH

    Pope refuses Gül's meeting request

    Pope Benedict has refused Minister Of Foreign Affairs Abdullah Gül's dinner invitation after NATO meeting, stating that eating is a "mundane pleasure."
    During the Pope's Turkey visit between November 28 and December 1st, Prime Minister Erdoğan and Minister of Foreign Affairs Gül will be in Latvia for the NATO meeting. Due to this inconvenience Abdullah Gül has requested a later meeting (a dinner)with the Pope.
    It was learned that Pope Benedict has refused Gül's suggestion stating that eating is a mundane pleasure.
    Meanwhile Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Namık Tan has spoken with the media and said: "Pope Benedict's visit has great importance for Turkey. We are pleased to have the opportunity to host him. We will do our best to host him with perfection. We have taken all security measures.


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    Mark how do you feel about this?

    "ISTANBUL, Turkey - Police on Wednesday detained about 40 members of a Turkish nationalist party who earlier had occupied one of Istanbul's most famous buildings, the Haghia Sophia, to protest the visit next week of Pope Benedict XVI.
    The protesters belong to the Great Unity Party, a far right-wing group that has previously staged demonstrations against the planned Nov. 28-Dec. 1 visit.

    They entered the 6th century former Byzantine church and mosque, shouting "Allahu akbar!" — "God is great!" — and then knelt to perform Islamic prayers.

    They also shouted a warning to Benedict: "Pope, don't make a mistake, don't wear out our patience."

    A group leader read a statement saying Benedict had offended Muslims with his comments linking violence and Islam, but the reading was interrupted by police."
    I need a foot massage

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    • #3
      Re: Turkey PM Erdogan snubs Pope / Pope refuses Gül's meeting request

      Pope's visit is one of the top news here for the past week, including the who's-not-meeting-with-whom side of the issue.

      Yesterday evening news quoted foreign ministry people saying that when the Vatican asked for those specific dates, they told Vatican that at those dates both Gül and Erdogan will be at the Riga summit, scheduled previously. But the Pope insisted on 28 Nov - 1 Dec because he wants to attend the St. Andrews mass together with the Greek Patriarch in Istanbul.

      Accordingly, the Pope knew well beforehand that at those very specific dates NATO's top summit would be coinciding; so where exactly is the "snub" or "bad manners" that the Italians are complaining about?

      What's more, today's Turkish papers quoted Cardinal Walter Casper, head of the Papacy Council, saying in an interview with the German Süddeutshce Zeitung recently that improving relations with the Orthodox Church, not with Islam, is at the heart of this visit.

      Well, what exactly does the Pope expect?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
        Mark how do you feel about this?

        "ISTANBUL, Turkey - Police on Wednesday detained about 40 members of a Turkish nationalist party who earlier had occupied one of Istanbul's most famous buildings, the Haghia Sophia, to protest the visit next week of Pope Benedict XVI.
        The protesters belong to the Great Unity Party, a far right-wing group that has previously staged demonstrations against the planned Nov. 28-Dec. 1 visit.

        They entered the 6th century former Byzantine church and mosque, shouting "Allahu akbar!" — "God is great!" — and then knelt to perform Islamic prayers.

        They also shouted a warning to Benedict: "Pope, don't make a mistake, don't wear out our patience."

        A group leader read a statement saying Benedict had offended Muslims with his comments linking violence and Islam, but the reading was interrupted by police."
        This is a city of 12 million people. Some 40-odd people threw themselves in a fit of tasteless protest. So what?
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        • #5
          FTP, as they say in some parts of Northern Ireland.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
            Mark how do you feel about this?
            much much worse have been done against christianity in turkey...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
              ...
              They also shouted a warning to Benedict: "Pope, don't make a mistake, don't wear out our patience."

              A group leader read a statement saying Benedict had offended Muslims with his comments linking violence and Islam, but the reading was interrupted by police."
              So they are issuing threats against the pope not to link islam to violence while at the same time this threat proves that it is correct to link at least some islamic groups to violence
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              • #8
                Pope Benedict has refused Minister Of Foreign Affairs Abdullah Gül's dinner invitation after NATO meeting, stating that eating is a "mundane pleasure."


                I'm not picking sides in this one. But I don't feel snubbed by the Turks.
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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Turkey PM Erdogan snubs Pope / Pope refuses Gül's meeting request

                  Originally posted by Ancyrean
                  Pope's visit is one of the top news here for the past week, including the who's-not-meeting-with-whom side of the issue.

                  ...What's more, today's Turkish papers quoted Cardinal Walter Casper, head of the Papacy Council, saying in an interview with the German Süddeutshce Zeitung recently that improving relations with the Orthodox Church, not with Islam, is at the heart of this visit.

                  Well, what exactly does the Pope expect?

                  So the PM isn't the PM of the Orthodox Christians living in Turkey? Erdogan didn't have to meet on the first day of the Pope's visit, but to not schedule any meeting is indeed a snub.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Re: Turkey PM Erdogan snubs Pope / Pope refuses Gül's meeting request

                    Originally posted by Straybow
                    So the PM isn't the PM of the Orthodox Christians living in Turkey? Erdogan didn't have to meet on the first day of the Pope's visit, but to not schedule any meeting is indeed a snub.
                    Sure, but his visit coincides with the NATO summit, which was fixed way before the time when anybody knew anything about the Pope's plans. The Vatican was informed of the unsuitable schedule and was asked to move the date, or pick another date of his choice. Instead, he wanted other people to change their schedules according to his own religious priorities (the St. Andrews mass). He insisted to come deliberately at a time when the PM won't be in town. So why the outrage?
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