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    With the Afghanistani women, it is pathetic in the "Their lives are crap, there's no way out, and they've nothing left" sort of way. If this German pastor killed himself out of Islamophobia, then his death is just simply pathetic in the "I'm lame, give me attention, and throw me a Pity Party afterwards" sort of way. Meaningless death for a meaningless life. Not exactly a waste or a tragedy.



    German pastor's suicide seen as 'cry against Islam'
    Country feeling unease between religious groups

    By Brian Murphy
    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Sunday, November 19, 2006

    ERFURT, Germany — We know this much: The 73-year-old pastor's last sermon focused on his fear that Christian Europe would be overwhelmed by Islam.

    A few weeks later, at one of the most important Lutheran landmarks, the Rev. Roland Weisselberg soaked himself in gasoline and set himself ablaze.

    Roland Weisselberg was a pastor in a suburb of Erfurt, Germany, a landmark for Lutherans because of its role in Martin Luther's religious life. Weisselberg's suicide has been seen as a kind of self-martyrdom by anti-Muslim groups.

    He left no suicide note, and the meaning of his final words is still the subject of conjecture.

    But at a time when Christians and Muslims in Europe lurch from one crisis to the next, the poetry-quoting, retired Lutheran minister is being proclaimed a self-martyr, the latest victim in a growing conflict between the cross and the crescent.

    "What's sad is that many people are so quick to believe that he killed himself to protest Islam. They want to believe it," said Bishop Christoph Kaehler, who leads the German Protestant Church in the eastern Thuringia state, which includes historic Erfurt, where the 16th-century Reformation trailblazer Martin Luther took his first religious vows.

    "Weisselberg has become a magnet for fears and suspicions about Muslims," Kaehler said. "It's an unfortunate lesson in how tense things have become."

    Germany has felt that uneasiness recently.

    Last month, a Turkish-born lawmaker sought protection from death threats after calling Islamic head scarves a symbol of oppression of women.

    In Berlin, an opera company has become Europe's latest freedom-of-expression flash point. A planned production of Mozart's "Idomeneo" outraged Muslims with a scene depicting the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad along with other religious figures, including Jesus and Buddha.

    Pope Benedict XVI used a speech at a German university in September to decry violent trends in Islam, setting off protests around the world. The German pontiff is scheduled to begin a visit to Turkey on Nov. 28 in his first papal trip to a mostly Muslim nation.

    Earlier this month, the pope urged Catholics in Germany to seek "spiritual dialogue" with the nation's 3 million-plus Muslims.

    Vocal on issues

    Weisselberg was not a silent bystander.

    He wrote letters to newspapers, venting on a range of topics. Most were packaged around his belief that European Christians had become too meek and separated from the faith's bold history, such as Luther's famous call for spiritual renewal, which helped stir the Protestant Reformation.

    Weisselberg's writings and conversations also were peppered with literary references, especially to the 19th-century German poets Heinrich Heine and Friedrich Holderlin, whose works were influenced by the conquests of Napoleon.

    In his last sermon in late September — he had been called from retirement to fill in for an absent minister — Weisselberg said Christians in Europe must unite or risk being overrun by Islam in generations to come.

    Then, on Oct. 31, he walked through the stone arches of the St. Augustine Monastery, a place where, from 1505 to 1511, Luther lived, studied and took monastic vows. A morning service was under way for Reformation Day, the anniversary of Luther's famous 95 Theses, which helped inspire the Protestant break from Rome.

    Police say Weisselberg cut through a gap between a hedge- row and a metal fence circling a construction pit for a new library, a site where more than 250 people died during Allied airstrikes near the end of World War II.

    Weisselberg pulled out a canister of gasoline hidden under his coat. An instant later, he was ablaze. Witnesses told authorities he cried two words: "Jesus" and "Oskar," considered a reference to the Rev. Oskar Bruesewitz, who set himself on fire in 1976 as an apparent protest against the communist East German regime.

    Weisselberg died the next day. No formal suicide note was found. But his widow — who has refused to speak publicly — told a church official that her husband left behind a letter describing his angst over Islam's rising power in Europe.

    Act of martyrdom?

    Within hours, Weisselberg's story was being told and retold as an act of self-martyrdom.

    Anti-Muslim groups across Europe have exalted his name. Christian Web sites have given him top billing in a repeat of the global cyber-eulogies for an Italian missionary, Sister Leonella Sgorbati, who was gunned down in Somalia in September in possible retaliation for the pope's comments on Islam.

    "In the absence of any clear reason, people will form their own judgments," said Lothar Schmeltz, curator of the St. Augustine Monastery. "In this case — and in these times — it's easy to see this as one man's lonely fight against Islam."

    In the monastery's main church, tributes to Weisselberg have been left on a small wooden table near towering stained glass windows. Amid the wilting flowers and votive candles is a wreath with a message on a yellow ribbon: "We hope this act bears fruit."

    "He had planned the time, the place and even planned his own funeral," said the Rev. Uwe Edom, who succeeded Weisselberg at a suburban parish outside Erfurt after his retirement in 1989. "Why on earth did he not tell us precisely why he would take his own life? It now leaves it open for any interpretation and abuse.

    "Weisselberg's legacy is now one of a cry against Islam, even if he wanted that or not."

    Ironically, Weisselberg's death occurred in a place where Islam is still barely noticeable.

    Unlike Berlin and other major urban centers in western Germany, the former East Germany has only recently become host to significant numbers of Muslim immigrants. The West opened its doors to a huge flow of so-called guest workers, mostly from Turkey, during the postwar reconstruction, while Erfurt and other cities moved into the Soviet orbit behind the Berlin Wall.

    Only an estimated 1,000 Muslims are among the 200,000 people in Erfurt, now a mix of post-unification malls and hotels amid an architectural bounty of carefully preserved Gothic-style buildings and medieval churches.

    In Weisselberg's neatly kept suburb, Windischholzhausen, one of his former parishioners claimed he's never had a conversation with a Muslim. But he feels a kinship to those who raise alarms about Islam's swelling voice in Western Europe, where France and Germany contain the largest Muslim communities.

    "The reverend was worried that Islam would eventually push Christians out of Europe," said Wolfgang Seifert, 70. "I don't agree with his suicide, but I agree with his message. I understand these fears."
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  • #2
    Isn't suicide like a one trip ticket to hell?

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    • #3
      It looks like the location where he burned himself alive wasn´t the place where he wanted to do it. Obviously he wanted to burn himself during the service held in the church at this time.

      He was trying to enter the church, but, as there were no free seats in the church (it was Reformation Day, where we commemorate Martin Luther, therefore a lot of people went to service in Erfurt at this day) they wouldn´t let him into the church.

      Had he done this in church, he probably wouldn´t have been the only person injured or killed (there were 450 people taking part in the service at this time). As it is an old church and most of the interior of the church is made of wood the fire probably would have spread very quickly, perhaps even leading to the partial or complete destruction of the church.
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      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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      • #4
        Fool...if he's so adamant that Muslims are evil, wouldn't he have done better setting some of those on fire?
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Provost Harrison
          Fool...if he's so adamant that Muslims are evil, wouldn't he have done better setting some of those on fire?
          That's the difference between the Christian and Muslim tradition relating to martyrdom.

          Christian martyrs are the ones who get killed by others for being Christians.
          Muslim martyrs are the ones who get killed trying to kill others.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Proteus_MST

            Had he done this in church, he probably wouldn´t have been the only person injured or killed (there were 450 people taking part in the service at this time). As it is an old church and most of the interior of the church is made of wood the fire probably would have spread very quickly, perhaps even leading to the partial or complete destruction of the church.

            This would of been more worth while. As it is, simply killing yourself for political reasons is pretty stupid. If you're willing to die for your beliefs, why not die doing something worthwhile - like burning down a church?
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            • #7
              Suicide is a mortal sin, but well, he was a lutheran, not sure if they believe in that.
              I need a foot massage

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              • #8
                What a freaking idiot. He is not a martyr. He didn't die because of his beliefs. That is, you have to be killed!!!!!

                No one made him do that, so that's just one for the darwin books.

                And if he is so worried about the Islam, he was a traitor who offed himself while he could have joined some troops and kill some jihadists.

                He'll prolly goes to a place where Gandhi is his neighbour.
                In da butt.
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                • #9
                  But Gandhi was killed
                  I need a foot massage

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                  • #10
                    yeah, but he was also an idiot.
                    In da butt.
                    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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                    • #11
                      *sigh*

                      Pekka, if you want a Gandi Hate Thread, start one elsewhere.
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                      • #12
                        Gandhi is a close relative of Gollum. Just look at him.

                        As for the pastor who torched himself, he's of course an idiot. To burn yourself and scream "Jesus" over that matter. If I had my way, all Muslims would be expelled. As well as all Christians. Only Satanists would be allowed to stay.

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