Thank God I'm not like Imran.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Oerdin

It all comes back to this guy being an idiot.

It's not a zero sum game, you can blame both the guy for being an idiot and the police for clearly abusing its power.

[Dinner]

Bump so crazy man Thorn can see it and his copy cat can be locked.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
It's not a zero sum game, you can blame both the guy for being an idiot and the police for clearly abusing its power.

Except for legally they haven't abused anyone. The idiot is not being cooperative. The cops repeatedly say to get up and stop struggling with him or he will get tasered again. He is able to walk (after all he does indeed walk out on his own eventually) but decides to continue fighting the police.

OK, then the idiot deserves exactly what he got. No long term harm was done and I have no doubt that all use of force rules were followed. He doesn't want to move? Fine, let him sit there and tase the **** out of him until he gets tired of it and decides to leave.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Oerdin
BTW that Beck guy on CNN is a piece of crap. He says because a Congressman is a Democrat and a muslim he needs to prove he isn't a terrorist? WTF?

Why doesn't that idiot know that the burden of proof is on the accusor not the accused?

Beck is hilarious. I don't think anyone takes him seriously though. At least, I hope not.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by loinburger

The student had it coming. I mean, he waited a few minutes before leaving the computer lab, after all.

"You don't have an ID, so you'll have to leave."
"Okay, I'll just finish this last email and then head out..."
[tazes student]

In summary, the guy was such an ass to the workers at the lab (refusing their repeated calls to show his ID or leave) that they had to call the cops on him. When the cops show up the guy slowly starts to leave, the cops take charge of the situation and move to take custody of him/escort him out, he starts pushing/shoving/screaming/being disorderly, and then the cops taze him.

The cops are in the right though I wouldn't have kept tazing him additional time and instead would have just arrested him. That the cops decided not to arrest him and instead use nonlethal force to remove him is actually giving the a-hole a break.

[Drake Tungsten]

So, does the thread title mean that Q Cubed thinks Imran is an idiot, too?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So, does the thread title mean that Q Cubed thinks Imran is an idiot, too?

No. I'm firmly on the side of the tazed victim here. I think the UCLA PD stepped out of line when they started to threaten the other students for asking the combatants to STFU.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Oerdin


In summary, the guy was such an ass to the workers at the lab (refusing their repeated calls to show his ID or leave) that they had to call the cops on him. When the cops show up the guy slowly starts to leave, the cops take charge of the situation and move to take custody of him/escort him out, he starts pushing/shoving/screaming/being disorderly, and then the cops taze him.

The cops are in the right though I wouldn't have kept tazing him additional time and instead would have just arrested him. That the cops decided not to arrest him and instead use nonlethal force to remove him is actually giving the a-hole a break.

That's pretty unclear - the stories of the student witness and the library official were entirely different on that matter, both in ways one would expect.

More than likely it was somewhere in between ... but I have to doubt the use of the Tazer like it was used was necessary. Unless he was trying to cause this specific incident, which I don't have enough tinfoil on my head to believe.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Unless he was trying to cause this specific incident, which I don't have enough tinfoil on my head to believe.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
When the cops show up the guy slowly starts to leave, the cops take charge of the situation and move to take custody of him/escort him out, he starts pushing/shoving/screaming/being disorderly, and then the cops taze him.

1. The guy was already on his way out by the time the cops showed up.
2. Where does it say he was "slowly" leaving, and for that matter what difference does the student's speed matter? "5 mph? Okay, you're fine, we'll not physically harass you on your way out the door. 4 mph? Uh oh, better drag this dawdler out the door pronto, he's a loose cannon!"
3.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

We also have the matter that the UCPD's official line is that the student refused to leave even when the officers requested that he do so, which directly contradicts all of the student witnesses who say that the student was on his way out the door by the time the cops showed up. So as I see it there are two possibilities:

1. The cops started unnecessarily manhandling the student, the student protested, the cops tazed the student, other students protested the cops' treatment, the cops threatened to taze the other students.
2. All of the students are lying.

[Blaupanzer]

There is no lab. He was in the library without the appropriate ID. He didn't leave right away when asked to either the first or second time. When the police arrive, he agrees to go. They try to grab him, end up tazing him several times. There is a definite nonsequiter here. "Get up or I'll disable you again" makes no sense. The whole point of the tazer is to disable the target. Yelling at him for falling down after hitting him with a device that knocks him down makes no sense. The cops are in the wrong here for multiple tazer shots on a cooperating perpetrator and for threatening to taze a bystander. Despite the misuse of this phrase, citizens do have rights, including expecting the minimum use of force in interactions with the police. The tazer is a defensive weapon; in what way were the police being threatened by the target?

[MRT144]

quote:
BECK: OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I've been to mosques. I really don't believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked, quite frankly.

With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

daily show take on this is great:

"As a conservative white male prove to me that you arent going to blow up a federal building or have gay oral sex in the restroom of a denny's"

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That the cops decided not to arrest him and instead use nonlethal force to remove him is actually giving the a-hole a break.

I meant to point out in my last post that the cops actually lose points in my book by their decision not to arrest the guy. They're tacitly admitting that the student's behavior did not warrant an arrest, and yet they tazed the snot out of him anyway.

[Fake Boris]

The article says that he was brought in custody. By all accounts he didn't leave the uni walking, he was dragged outside by the cops. What the guy says is he left custody on his feet.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by loinburger
I meant to point out in my last post that the cops actually lose points in my book by their decision not to arrest the guy. They're tacitly admitting that the student's behavior did not warrant an arrest, and yet they tazed the snot out of him anyway.

Bingo. If his actions weren't enough to arrest him, why use so much force?

It's kind of lick Harold and Kumar, where Kumar points out that the cop was the king of high school and he used to bully kids all day long, but when he found out he was a loser in the real world he decided the best way to bully people around was to become a cop. Sounds like the type of 'security officers' these guys were.