Some crimes really make me speechless

[Gibsie]

The explicitly violent HBO prison drama

[Tattila the Hun]

Martyrdom?

[SlowwHand]

Monkeys suicide bombing the witch?

[Adalbertus]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Oerdin: Germany doesn't have life in prison, IIRC.

In rare cases, it does. Usually, those who have a life-long sentence will be examined by experts after 15 years or so if they can be re-socialized. If there are good prospects, they come free (and yes, sometimes it fails).
If the court found a "besondere Schwere der Schuld" (particular severity of guilt), it is much more difficult to get free - while it is possible.
A court may also order a "Sicherungsverwahrung" (keeping in safety) which means that some restrictions of jail are lifted but they are under constant supervision - This is thought of not so much as punishment than to provide safety of potential victims. The prospects for future life are checked every other year.
So you can spend your life in prison also in Germany, if you threaten to kill your former judge, for example.

On the other hand, the murderers in Siegburg were 17, 19 and 20 years old. At least the 17-year-old will be sentenced under the "Jugendstrafrecht" (youth's criminal law) which means he will get 10 years at most. Depending on what psycologists will say, this might also apply to the other two.

[Adalbertus]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
But of course, even locked up for life probably is nothing compared to the things their victim had to endure

I've heard that some criminals (abusers of children) have to be protected from the wrath of other prisoners - which well might happen to them. In this case, I'm not quite sure if ten years in constant fear of torture aren't worse than a few hours of torture. (I'm happy to have no personal experience in things like that.)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
We have.

Effectively, you don't. Or I'd be interested in finding out how many people are actually sentenced to life rather than just being jailed for a long time before being released.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Effectively, you don't. Or I'd be interested in finding out how many people are actually sentenced to life rather than just being jailed for a long time before being released.

Acording to some sources the number of people was exactly 1.

Rudolf Hess, Hitlers deputy.

According to the same sources even people with particular severity of guilt get out after 20-25 years.
But the court can decide that, after getting out of prison the culprit stays in Sicherheitsverwahrung (keeping in safety) for an undefined amount of time.
This means that he still stays locked away (but has more freedom than normal prison inmates) until psychologists decide that the culprit is no danger to society anymore.

[Zeeboe]

I watched the film "Stoic" last winter, and I recently rewatched it, and I have studied the case the film was based on, and came across this thread via a google search. Does anyone else know anything extra about the Hermann H. case? I've read other sites that explain what was done to him, but do you know anything else? I have come across a few sites that discuss the case, but they are only in German, such as the sites mentioned in the first post of this thread. Could anyone who speaks English and German translate just some of what is posted on those sites mentioned in the first post please?

[Felch]

Martyrdom?

Yeah, this kind of puzzled me. Was the victim killed because of his beliefs?

[BlackCat]

Yeah, this kind of puzzled me. Was the victim killed because of his beliefs?

This thread is some six years old - don't expect an answer.

[Felch]

Damnit

I fell for a necro.

[BlackCat]

Nah, **** happens - maybe you'll find this thread interesting :

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/170908-Torture

[Zeeboe]

I have a long memory, and the story is new to me, so I can answer this question.

Yeah, this kind of puzzled me. Was the victim killed because of his beliefs?

No. I am guessing he has been called a martyr by some because he suffered so much. And what caused him to be tortured and killed is because (and this is just a guess) the inmates were all locked in together for twenty-three hours, and I honestly believe Hermann was treated so cruely by his cellmates for entertainment. They felt like breaking the monotony, and perhaps being locked up for so long made them crazy, which is what caused them to be so sadistic. The men also admitted in interviews that they did it because they wanted to see someone die. All pretty disturbing stuff.

[Proteus_MST]

This is a thread I havent seen for a very long time

And yes, he was tortured and killed just for entertainment of the other inmates, there were no religious reasons involved (and because they thought that they could fake that Hermann commited suicide, so that they could get released earlier from their prison term [because of the traumatic experience of having someone commit suicide in their cell ])

The 3 culprits btw. initially got away with mild away with mild sentences ... just 10-15 years ... but for Pascal I., the main culprit (the one who first came up with the idea of torturing and killing Hermann H., the public prosecution office went into revision and he now has to serve an additional "Sicherheitsverwahrung" in addition to his 15 years, meaning that he will stay locked away indefinitely (hopefully for life)
(the other 2 might also get "Sicherheitsverwahrung" ... but this will only be determined at the end of their regular prison sentence ... condemning someone of the age of the culprits to Sicherheitsverwahrung already at the beginning of his sentence was a novelty, which was just introduced in the trial against Pascal I. )

[Zeeboe]

Thank you for the response. In your first post on this thread, you posted some links. Is there anything in those links that have info that has not already been mentioned on this thread? (I ask because those links are in German, and I don't speak German I'm afraid.)