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    US marine jailed for Iraq death
    By David Willis
    BBC News, Camp Pendleton, California


    A US marine has received an 18-month prison sentence for his part in killing an unarmed man in Iraq.

    Pte John Jodka is one of eight servicemen implicated in the attack seven months ago in Hamdania, in which a 52-year-old man died.

    The judge said he would have sentenced Jodka to five years, but he was bound by a "very fortuitous" pre-trial deal.

    Jodka, who apologised to the victim's family, is expected to give evidence against the other defendants.

    They are expected to face murder charges, and they could face the death penalty if convicted.

    By giving evidence against them, Pte Jodka stands to receive a general discharge from the marines, although the judge, Lt Col David Jones, said that he would have given him a dishonourable discharge.

    Disabled grandfather

    At 20 years of age, Pte Jodka is the youngest and lowest-ranking member of a group of marines who were deployed in Iraq earlier this year.

    It is alleged that the eight-strong team went looking for a suspected insurgent.

    When they failed to find him the men became frustrated and dragged a disabled grandfather from his home, bound and beat him and then shot him to death.

    In court, Pte Jodka apologised to the family of the Iraqi man who died and to fellow members of the Marine corps.

    He also talked about conditions in Iraq, referring to the fear and frustration he and his colleagues felt there and telling the court that he often felt poorly trained for the duties he had been asked to undertake, including counter-terrorism.

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/6152636.stm
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  • #2
    Seems like kind of a sweetheart deal. If I had been offering the deal he would have gotten much more time and I most definately would not offered a general discharge.
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    • #3
      Hey Sloww, when these guys get convicted - how should we punish them?
      Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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      • #4
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Seems like kind of a sweetheart deal. If I had been offering the deal he would have gotten much more time and I most definately would not offered a general discharge.
          Well of course it was a sweetheart deal, they wanted him to testify against the others who they may try to get the death penalty for. I'm assuming anything more stringent and this guy wouldn't have squealed, making the case against the bigger *******s that much harder.
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          • #6
            I'd like to know more about what he actually did. As far as I can tell, the punishment seems reasonably appropriate. He was not in command or even 2IC and it seems somewhat clear that he didnt actually shoot the victim.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              Well of course it was a sweetheart deal,
              Well if the case against him and the others was actually that weak, maybe it shouldn't have been brought in the first place.
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              • #8
                Many cases are 'weak' without any witness testimony. That witness testimony however makes a weak case a solid one. As long as we don't think he's being coerced into testifying unduly (obviously there's some coercion here, eg the threat of the higher sentence), I don't have a problem with this.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  Well of course it was a sweetheart deal, they wanted him to testify against the others who they may try to get the death penalty for. I'm assuming anything more stringent and this guy wouldn't have squealed, making the case against the bigger *******s that much harder.
                  If they do get the DP, will the be added to the Iraq war casualty list?
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by snoopy369
                    Many cases are 'weak' without any witness testimony. That witness testimony however makes a weak case a solid one. As long as we don't think he's being coerced into testifying unduly (obviously there's some coercion here, eg the threat of the higher sentence), I don't have a problem with this.
                    And looks like they couldn´t find another witness,
                    as the only other person besides the marines was the victim,
                    who is unable to testify anything because he was killed by them.

                    And yes, if it results the other marines getting DP or at least are being thrown into jail for life, this deal seems to be good IMHO.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MOBIUS


                      If they do get the DP, will the be added to the Iraq war casualty list?
                      If the war is still going by the time they are executed, maybe.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MOBIUS
                        Hey Sloww, when these guys get convicted - how should we punish them?
                        I'm sure Sloww would think they should be executed, and he'd be correct.

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                        • #13
                          As interesting as this thread is, I'm not seeing a thread about the guy who confessed to raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl then murdering her family along with his unit. I'd imagine that would be the bigger news story.
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                          • #14
                            If I remember correctly we had a thread about this some while ago (unless I mistake this with another forum)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MOBIUS
                              Hey Sloww, when these guys get convicted - how should we punish them?

                              Well, he is an advocate for the death penalty . . . . .





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