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    According to Blair, we should be their friends...

    Iran 'is training the next al-Qa'eda leaders'

    By Con Coughlin
    Last Updated: 2:20am GMT 14/11/2006

    Iran is seeking to take control of Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terror network by encouraging it to promote officials known to be friendly to Teheran, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

    According to recent reports received by Western intelligence agencies, the Iranians are training senior al-Qa'eda operatives in Teheran to take over the organisation when bin Laden is no longer leader.

    Rumours have been circulating about the state of his health for several months. Bin Laden, 49, who is known to suffer from kidney problems that require regular dialysis, has not appeared in one of his videotapes for more than two years, prompting speculation that he is dead.

    A leaked report from the French intelligence service, the DGSE, in September suggested bin Laden, who has a $25 million price on his head, had died of typhoid earlier this year.

    Even if he is still alive, intelligence officials are working on the assumption that his ability to control the organisation has been severely diminished, and that most of the day-to-day running is being undertaken by Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's Egyptian-born number two.

    Iran has always maintained close relations with al-Qa'eda, even though the Shia Muslim state is known to have many ideological and strategic differences with the terror group's Sunni leadership.
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    Western intelligence officials now believe that Iran is trying to cultivate a new generation of al-Qa'eda leaders who will be prepared to work closely with Teheran when they eventually take control.

    Recent intelligence reports from Iran suggest the Iranians are particularly keen to promote Saif-al-Adel, a notorious al-Qa'eda operative who is wanted in the United States for his alleged role in training several of the September 11 hijackers.

    Al-Adel, 46, a former colonel in Egypt's special forces who joined al-Qa'eda after fighting with the Mujahideen against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s, was named in the FBI's list of 22 most wanted terrorists that was issued after the September 11 attacks.

    He is also alleged to have been involved in the deaths of 18 US soldiers in Somalia in 1993 and the truck bomb attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

    Al-Adel has, technically, been living under house arrest in Teheran since fleeing to Iran in late 2001 with hundreds of other al-Qa'eda fighters following the US-led coalition's invasion of Afghanistan.

    For the past five years he has been living in a Revolutionary Guards guest house in Teheran together with Saad and Mohammed bin Laden, two of the al-Qa'eda leader's sons.

    Until 2003, al-Adel acted as bin Laden's security chief and since his arrival in Iran he is understood to have struck up a close personal relationship with several prominent Revolutionary Guards commanders.

    The Iranians are now exerting pressure on al-Qa'eda's leadership to make al-Adel the organisation's number three which, given bin Laden's poor state of health, would effectively make him number two. This would put him in a strong position to take control of the entire al-Qa'eda network in the event of Zawahiri being killed or being unable to continue running the group.

    "This is an important power play by the Iranians and the prospect of al-Qa'eda and Iran forging a close alliance is truly terrifying," said a senior Western intelligence official. "They have had their differences in the past, but with the survival of both Iran and al-Qa'eda now at stake they realise it is in both their interests to have closer ties."

    Iran's attempts to forge closer links with al-Qa'eda are understood to have been ordered by President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, who believes Iran and al-Qa'eda share similar aims — destroying the influence of America and its allies in the wider Middle East. Mr Ahmedinejad is also keen to strengthen the alliance in case Iran is subjected to United Nations sanctions over its refusal to halt its nuclear enrichment programme, which many Western governments believe is being undertaken as part of a clandestine nuclear weapons programme.

    If al-Qa'eda is agreeable to appointing al-Adel and other al-Qa'eda figures currently based in Iran to senior positions, the Iranians have agreed to provide training facilities and equipment.

    Links between Iran and al-Qa'eda date back to the early 1990s, when bin Laden was based in Sudan. According to the US 9/11 Commission report, Iran's Revolutionary Guards helped to train al-Qa'eda fighters, and the Iranians were suspected of helping al-Qa'eda to carry out the truck bomb attacks against an American military base in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, in June 1996 that killed 19 US servicemen.

    The growing links are being viewed with profound alarm in Western intelligence circles. Iran has a long history of sponsoring terror groups. The Revolutionary Guards were primarily responsible for setting up, financing, training and equipping Hizbollah, the radical Lebanese militia that now stands accused of plotting to overthrow the Lebanese government and seize power.

    Any increase in Iran's influence over al-Qa'eda could have potentially devastating consequences for international security. Al-Qa'eda has made no secret of its desire to acquire weapons of mass destruction — including "dirty" nuclear bombs.

    Intelligence experts believe that Iran will soon have the capacity to develop its own nuclear weapons and Teheran is also known to have developed a highly effective chemical weapons programme.

    "We are looking at a Doomsday scenario here where al-Qa'eda finally fulfils its ultimate goal of acquiring weapons of mass destruction," said a senior Western intelligence official. "And unlike other terror groups, al-Qa'eda is perfectly willing to use them."
    So when are we invading!!?

    The funny thing is, it has been well documented since before Bush and Blair had to go to such lengths to make stuff up about Iraq, that Iran had a WMD programme and was harbouring/training/supplying etc terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah - and Al Qaeda...

    Now of course we're just going to let them carry on without lifting a finger...

    AQ with nukes - now there's a sobering thought!

    Thanks Bush!
    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

  • #2
    Iran = Shia
    AQ = Sunni

    They hate each other.
    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LordShiva
      Iran = Shia
      AQ = Sunni

      They hate each other.
      [insert generic cliche about secular Ba'athists and Wahabbi AQ also hating each other here]
      Unbelievable!

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      • #4
        Yah, but they hate you more.

        Enemy of my enemy is my enemy too, but not as enemy as the other guy, or how it goes.
        I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Darius871
          [insert generic cliche about secular Ba'athists and Wahabbi AQ also hating each other here]
          Considering that the violence in Iraq right now comprises mainly of Iran-backed Shia militias and AQ-backed Sunnis killing each other, generic cliches of the kind you mentioned aren't really applicable.
          THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
          AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
          AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
          DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
            Yah, but they hate you more.

            Enemy of my enemy is my enemy too, but not as enemy as the other guy, or how it goes.
            Shia and Sunni hate each other more than they hate us. Israel is the only country they hate more than each other, and they haven't had much success teaming up against them ...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by snoopy369


              Shia and Sunni hate each other more than they hate us. Israel is the only country they hate more than each other, and they haven't had much success teaming up against them ...
              this wasnt always the case, and certainly not as heated until we threw iraq into a tailspin.

              if theres one thing that limits islam its sectarianism fighting and their own innability to disagree in a civil way. their own anger and willingness to use violence is their biggest liability
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              • #8
                Iran will give nukes to Al-Qaeda, bla bla bla Patriot Act, bla bla Saddam had WMDs!!!
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snoopy369


                  Shia and Sunni hate each other more than they hate us. Israel is the only country they hate more than each other, and they haven't had much success teaming up against them ...
                  really - so you know for a fact that Hamas and Hezbollah kidnappings of Israeli soldiers were NOT coordinated? You think that Iran doesnt support Hamas?

                  Unlike Mobius, Im not convinced Iran is in bed with AQ. Ive seen evidence of ties, but alternate explanations exist. But its certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that Iran could be cooperating with AQ. And its not 100% clear to me who Iran is backing in Iraq, or why. Its said theyre behind al Sadr - but Sadr, in 2004, was reaching out to Sunnis. Its also possible they are backing shiite militias in Iraq, simply to make things more difficult for the US, not out of hatred of Sunnis per se.
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                  • #10
                    Wasn't it the Telegraph that also "discovered" a number of documents from the bombed-out Mukhaberat building that "proved" myriad Franco-Russian collaborations with Saddam and explicit Iraqi assistance of AQ? Why should it now have any credibility wrt Iran and AQ?
                    Unbelievable!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LordShiva
                      Iran = Shia
                      AQ = Sunni

                      They hate each other.
                      Part of the major change that Khomeini brought to Shia was the change in priorities between "inner jihad" and "outer jihad".

                      Meaning, that from now on you first unite against an outside enemy, and only then solve the differences between religions later.


                      AQ has no favour for Sunni regimes, especially since most of them are not religiously inclined at all (ex.: Syria, Egypt, Jordan etc).

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                      • #12
                        Mobius, I guess its a matter of pretext. When one violates more than a dozen mandatory UN resolutions, there are plenty of pretexts.

                        But Israel cares nothing for pretexts. It will act even if the UN does not.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sirotnikov

                          Part of the major change that Khomeini brought to Shia was the change in priorities between "inner jihad" and "outer jihad".

                          Meaning, that from now on you first unite against an outside enemy, and only then solve the differences between religions later.
                          While Sunnis and Shia might be able to work together to oust The Occupiers, al Qaeda is not going to let a Shia nation train its next leader.

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                          • #14
                            Re: So what do you do when a country HAS WMD and HAS links with Al Qaeda?

                            So what do you do when a country HAS WMD and HAS links with Al Qaeda?

                            You call it Pakistan. Duh.
                            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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                            • #15
                              Did anybody else open this thread expecting it to be about the USA?
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