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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The widows of two combat veterans sued the government Monday for not allowing Wiccan symbols on their husbands' military headstones.

    The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs allows military families to choose any of 38 authorized headstone images. The list includes commonly recognized symbols for Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Judaism, as well as those for smaller religions such as Sufism Reoriented, Eckiankar and the Japanese faith Seicho-No-Ie.

    The Wiccan pentacle, a five-pointed star surrounded by a circle, is not on the list, an omission that the widows say is unconstitutional.

    The lawsuit was filed by Roberta Stewart, whose husband, Nevada National Guard Sgt. Patrick Stewart, was killed in combat in Afghanistan last year, and Karen DePolito, whose husband, Jerome Birnbaum, is a Korean War veteran who died last year.

    Wiccans worship the Earth and believe they must give to the community. Some consider themselves "white" or good witches, pagans or neo-pagans. Approximately 1,800 active-duty service members identify themselves as Wiccans, according to 2005 Defense Department statistics.

    Attorneys for Americans United, a group advocating separation of church and state, argued in legal papers that it makes no sense for Wiccans to be excluded. The Army allows Wiccan soldiers to list their faith on dog tags, Wiccan organizations are allowed to hold services on military installations and the Army Chaplains Handbook includes an explanation of the religion, attorneys said.

    Stewart, whose husband was awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, has sought federal government approval to affix the pentacle to the Veterans' Memorial Wall in Nevada. Veterans officials denied the request but Nevada officials said they would erect a plaque with the symbol.

    In memos and letters cited by the lawsuit, Lindee L. Lenox, director of memorial programs for the veterans agency, said the government was reviewing the process for evaluating and approving new emblems and would not accept new applications until the review was complete.

    Circle Sanctuary, a Wiccan church located in Barneveld, Wisconsin, is also suing, saying Wiccans have been trying for years to get the religion recognized.

    The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Western Wisconsin


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    Pagan religions
    Christianity
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    • #3
      The change will be made. The Wiccan symbol will be allowed.
      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Why is one and the other not?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BeBro
          Why is one and the other not?


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          • #6
            Yeah, these pagans don't go to war at all....oh wait.
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            • #7
              Because we all know that Pagans are the dominant religion in the US military
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              • #8
                Fat-bottomed girls
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                • #9
                  What has their number to do with it?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
                    Pagan religions
                    Christianity
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BeBro
                      What has their number to do with it?
                      If we're going to compare the level of violence between "Pagans" (which encompasses a wide variety of religions) vs. Christianity...well, let's just say Christianity isn't exactly a bloodless religion
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                      • #12
                        an omission that the widows say is unconstitutional.
                        uhh, no

                        Department of Veterans' affairs should clearly let the family produce it's own symbol with it's own money if it can be proven that the buried person was a Wicca. OTOH, it should not produce one with government funds due to the excessive costs which will follow if every crackpot cult in the world can have it's own production line of headstones. Well, unless the headstones are hand-made (I know pretty much nothing of tombstones).

                        In memos and letters cited by the lawsuit, Lindee L. Lenox, director of memorial programs for the veterans agency, said the government was reviewing the process for evaluating and approving new emblems and would not accept new applications until the review was complete.
                        either way, it seems that the system is changing in favor of the plaintiff as we speak

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                        • #13
                          Tass: and you think it's a great argument to say it's because there are more Christians than Pagans?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by VJ

                            uhh, no

                            Department of Veterans' affairs should clearly let the family produce it's own symbol with it's own money if it can be proven that the buried person was a Wicca. OTOH, it should not produce one with government funds due to the excessive costs which will follow if every crackpot cult in the world can have it's own production line of headstones.
                            According to the article the military is already providing some services for this 'crackpot cult'.
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                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Indeed. I mean, how many Wiccans do you really know? Whereas Seicho-No-Ie-ians are just so common
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