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    Look at the European tariff that de Villepin just dreamed up for Chinese, Indian, US, and Australian goods.

    From the FT...

    De Villepin proposes European carbon tax levy

    By Delphine Strauss in Paris

    Published: November 13 2006 20:18 | Last updated: November 13 2006 20:18

    Countries that refuse to join international efforts to cut greenhouse emissions – such as the US and China – should face a European carbon tax on their imports, Dominique de Villepin, the French prime minister, proposed on Tuesday.

    The controversial proposal is likely to heighten suspicions that Europeans are using environmental arguments to justify protectionist restrictions on trade. It would require full European Union support to become reality.

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    Mr de Villepin’s plan is intended to put pressure on China, Brazil and India at this week’s climate change talks in Nairobi, where countries are meeting to discuss a post-Kyoto framework. Emerging economies, whose carbon emissions are rising rapidly with the growth of manufacturing exports, are under pressure to commit to cuts in greenhouse gases once the Kyoto Protocol runs out in 2012.

    “We have decided to reinforce the principle that the polluter pays,” said Mr de Villepin, who will put concrete proposals to other EU member states by March. He also announced a domestic tax on coal and aircraft noise and said further measures could include road charging in big towns and taxing lorries on cross-Alpine routes.

    “It’s not right that Europe should make considerable efforts while other major players do not,” one of Mr de Villepin’s officials told Le Monde. “China is fast catching up Europe in high technology; it must also make an effort on environmental issues.”

    France’s proposal to tax imports from recalcitrant countries may be designed to rebutt criticism by the European Commission that the emission quotas Paris has set the country’s industrial sector are too generous. Companies argue that the cost of complying with tougher quotas puts them at a disadvantage to international competitors. A carbon tax on imports would restore the balance.

    But developing countries are likely to regard the tax proposal as a barrier to trade.

    “The next round of protectionism from Europe is likely to be based on some spurious argument like food miles,” Helen Clark, New Zealand’s prime minister, said last month. The country’s farmers are indignant at suggestions their produce could be subjected to taxes reflecting the distance it is transported to its end market.

    The package presented by Mr de Villepin on Tuesday is the latest effort by French political heavyweights to demonstrate their green credentials, after the publication of the UK’s Stern review on climate change helped bring environmental issues to the fore of the European political agenda.

    Laurent Fabius, a contender for the socialist party nomination, offered to make the popular ecologist Nicolas Hulot his second in command if elected.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      Yeah this is just blind protectionism. I guess he got some fat cat massaging him.. I guess locals can't compete, eh?

      But this has no chances of going through. The again I am SURE that Finland will promote this like the hippie programs they like to create, disregarding the fact that this will mostly just hurt... the poor countries.

      This is high and mighty road, protectionism at best. They are actually arguing protectionism with environmental issues? Great. What's next? Protectionism with .... human rights?

      Stop mixing things when you just want to protect local business. That's disgraceful.

      EU is the biggest cheater in the world anyway. They condemn everyone with different standards, including those who can't get those standards because they don't have the resources. So they just play the moral card on them.

      EU is big on exporting idea, supporting your own, and stopping everyone else competing in here.. what is the next most ridiculous standard? What, new curve rules for cucumbers again? What's the point? The point is to eliminate outside competition while heavily supporting your own exports.

      They just want the best of all worlds, and when something is not going accordingly, pull the moral card out.

      That's EU for you.
      In da butt.
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      • #4
        If it replaces CAP.
        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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        • #5
          I don't think you understand, Dauphin. The CAP is permanent.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            ANd I'd like to point out that if you want to refute my point, you can start by making sense of the directives on many products like cucumbers.. 'well it makes sense to .. the curve is important..'..

            BS. It's business. That's waht it is, and moral TRUE EUROS are playing into it, being the biggest help of hand to these businesses. Blind suckers.
            In da butt.
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            • #7
              Taxing agricultural miles
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #8
                The US should do what we did - Sign on to Kyoto with no plan of meeting the commitments.
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                • #9
                  At least Bush had balls to not sign it, as in we're not looking for good PR, since we won't do this, we won't sign it. I think that is an act of someone who has at least some integrity left.

                  The point is not if the deal is good or bad, the point is being transparent enough to not do even the good idea and say it outloud.
                  In da butt.
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                  • #10
                    Clinton did sign Kyoto. The US has not ratified it.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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                    • #11
                      I bet these "fair competition" tariffs end up in French agri-subsidies, as usual.

                      Kyoto only serves for national masochism for hippies desperately looking for inner legitimacy for their habitation in mental ivory towers.

                      It does nothing to save the environment. When heavy industry is penalized for existing in Europe, it naturally moves to regions where no such penalties exists. So we kick our industries to China and in return get to pay bribes under the name of "clean air credits" to Russia in return. Wonderful.

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                      • #12
                        French protectionists have no shame...
                        Surely the underhand methods being employed show that they have? It depends on how they intend to implement the policy, of course.

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                        • #13
                          Kyoto only serves for national masochism for hippies desperately looking for inner legitimacy for their habitation in mental ivory towers.
                          Sounds like Iraq.

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                          • #14
                            come to think of it, yes it does

                            Neo-conservative intellectuals are framing it as a bogus issue of "irresponsible cut and run" and "staying on the course until democracy is restored" a la WW2 (justifying the endless WW2-comparisons, no matter how inaccurate... I read an American pundit-rant some weeks ago which had "if we would've ran away from Germany three years after world war 2 since our troops had to sustain daily terrorist attacks" as it's key theme ). Since trying to do the latter is the much harder option, it also must be the right thing to do! And by supporting it, the neo-cons can think of themselves as enlightened elites who are supporting the good fight, sacrificing short-term reality for the supposed wonderful victory celebration just around the corner.

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                            • #15
                              Countries that refuse to join international efforts to cut greenhouse emissions – such as the US and China – should face a European carbon tax on their imports, Dominique de Villepin, the French prime minister, proposed on Tuesday.


                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              Protectionism with .... human rights?



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