Damn anti smoking fanatics! Bars can't serve food and allow smoking? WTF!

[MRT144]

or perhaps ming is correcting his daughter on the ills of smoking

[Flip McWho]

Well that depends on whether shes gonna be one of those million or whatever number of people who WILL take up smoking each year.

[MRT144]

i dont get why a 16-17 year old cant decide for themselves though. its a personal choice and why do we make arbitrary laws that curtail smoking?

[Flip McWho]

I don't understand why people can't decide for themselves whether they wanna get high, trip or rave. Apparently we're not rational enough to make those decisions for ourselves.

The age thing, 18's just the commonly accepted age where adults think young people become as rational as them.

[MRT144]

but its interesting that many people like the smokers right camp will accept arbitrary limits on smoking ages but not where smoking can be conducted when both tackle personal rights.

[Elok]

Dammit Ozzy, stop hacking other folks' accounts!

[MRT144]

Im ozzy's deep undercover DL for years!

[Flip McWho]

Ozzy does have a point though. Age limits are fairly arbitrary.

MRT,

That's because the smokers right camp are influenced by their addiction. It makes them place smoking as a right in their base assumptions about the issue.

They don't care that they aren't allowed to smoke in a cafe, because they understand that people don't like smoke around them when they eat, they don't themselves some of the time too. But a bar, I mean who doesn't like smoking whilst drinking alcohol. The two go hand in hand for smokers.

[BlackCat]

This thread has really hit a nerve - 577 postings and still living

Well, being a smoker myself, I would think a license would be the best - generally forbid smoking in bars, but let some have a permit to both smoke and drink.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by BlackCat


This thread has really hit a nerve - 577 postings and still living

Well, being a smoker myself, I would think a license would be the best - generally forbid smoking in bars, but let some have a permit to both smoke and drink.

that's reasonable too, if the license price is steep enough

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by MRT144


that's reasonable too, if the license price is steep enough

Can't remember that I said anything about it should cost anything. If ther should be any difference it should be a risk benefit/addon for the employees.

[Flip McWho]

How do you decide the quota that can be both?

[MRT144]

I know you didnt say anything about cost but I did

i think the cost of licensicing should reflect actual smoker populations so that there is a percentage of smoking establishments equal to smokers in the general population.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
How do you decide the quota that can be both?

What ????

Sorry, I'm not persecuting you today, just can't figure your messages out (maybe I'm a bit too drunk )

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by MRT144
I know you didnt say anything about cost but I did

i think the cost of licensicing should reflect actual smoker populations so that there is a percentage of smoking establishments equal to smokers in the general population.

Well, then I think that it will be reasonable to set the cost of the licensing of a smoking site to the same as a nonsmoking site.