Climate Chaos: Don't Believe It

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by CerberusIV
Let's be blunt here. Scientists thrive on research grants. They mostly research what they get paid to research and, to some extent, are inclined to produce "results" that please their sponsors. That applies to both those "for" and "against" global warming

Which strongly suggests that the only rational way to proceed is to embrace the principles of scientific method and the traditions of free speech and enquiry in an open forum of debate.

Instead of this, the climate-change establishment seems to prefer shrill ad-hominem attacks ("it must be a lie, it's in the Daily Telegraph") and trying to paint sceptics as on a par with Holocaust deniers.

Presumably the medieval warm period is a figment of the deranged imaginations of tinfoil-hatted 'denialists'.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Odin


The warming in the early 20th century (which was the result of both the sun and anthropogenic CO2) reversed somewhat in the 50's and 60's as a result of "global dimming" caused by pollution (sulfates). During the 70's CO2 began to overpower the cooling effects caused by the sulfate, causing the warming to start again around 1976.

more coal

[Whoha]

Did that BBC climate model thing ever get mold to grow inside computers?

[Barnabas]

what will happen to rivers born in mountains if the glaciers there melt?


wouldnt global warming give russia and canada more farmland, in argentina the wet pampa has been gaining ground on the dry pampa due to more rain, which is good, but then, if sea levels rise it may cover all the pampa since it is very flat.

In bolivia el niño is what affects us, I wondr how global warming will change the niño

[Odin]

Originally posted by Whoha


more coal

Sulfate-->Sulfuric Acid--> Acid Rain

[Odin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Which strongly suggests that the only rational way to proceed is to embrace the principles of scientific method and the traditions of free speech and enquiry in an open forum of debate.

Funny, many of the Denialists I've come across use sophistry, post-modernist talking points, appeals to ignorance, and outright lies to attack the science.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Cort Haus Which strongly suggests that the only rational way to proceed is to embrace the principles of scientific method and the traditions of free speech and enquiry in an open forum of debate.

Yes, and that debate should be conducted between scientists in scientific journals.

I have no hardened position on global warming, because I don't know enough to challenge the science either way. I'm not alone in this; the vast majority of lay people don't have the proper background to draw any conclusions on the topic. Thus I find it repulsive that the question of whether or not global warming exists has become a political question. Let the scientists figure it out, not the politicians. Our inquiries should be limited to who subsidized the scientists' grants.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]


Are you claiming that climate predictions made in the 70's are more accurate then thouse today? And that the reason is more "data stations". First please clarify what type of data stations these are and how we now have less of them. Also do you think any of the following might have improved our ability to predict climate.

A Gaggillion fold incresse in computer power
...

You can increase computer power all you want but with the current poorly specified models it's a case of GIGO.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Um wrong acronim, GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) means that an acurate model is being feed bad input data, but your senstence implies that the model is itself flawed as dose your article. The article dosn't imply that our raw data is flawed.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Odin



Funny, many of the Denialists I've come across use sophistry, post-modernist talking points, appeals to ignorance, and outright lies to attack the science.

Of course they do. They have the same problem as the members of humans-are-the-cause-of-GW church, they can't prove their theories so they stoop to such methods.