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    I'm fascinated with gazing, by how you can do it in different ways. All kinds of human behaviour and how to affect the thinking of another person is fascinating.

    This all comes from perspective of.. selling your thoughts. In face to face situation, I find it usually easy to sell my opinion to the other person. Especially if he is not against me to begin with. I don't know the psychology behind these but I thought I'd read few books if these things have been examined, I bet they are so I want to know what the professionals say about it.

    So selling, better word would be persuation. I'm fascinated by the idea of sudden persuation to a complete stranger, who then acts against his own benefit to benefit myself and does it gladly. This of course is part of .. social engineering, a subject that is one of my main areas of interest in IT security and general security, thus my studies and hopefully future career. BUt this is just part of it.

    Maybe part of this is because I find these issues fascinating by nature so.. OK more to the point, now that I've explained my interest in it.

    As I've said, I have no training, nor am I especially good at these things. I just think I do recognize lots of factors in play when you want to manipulate or put thoughts in peoples mind. There are so many important things, the way you look, act, the tone of your voice etc, but one of the things I'm now focusing on is the gaze.

    It's really interesting, I think and I've tried this, when you don't look at people at their faces like you normally do, but inside their head, it makes you look more interesting adn therefore the subject becomes more receptive to you. What I mean by looking inside head is tha tyou don't look at the eyes per se, but look through it. This means you do not focus on the eyes at all, it's like when these karate dudes who chop bricks etc, they imagine the point to be lower than the bricks, not on top of the first brick. I imagine it the same way, where I look and gaze through those eyes. It doesn't give me much except that I have to concentrate a little bit more but the ones I'm talking to seem to be more receptive. Because I'm gazing them.. it's really interesting and when you act calm, collective and carefully place your words, talk a little bit more slowly thna you usually would, use your hands in calming effect, point making effect, it appears as if you are telling the truth, teh fact and something that is important. And it lacks the car selling man's thing where you kind of get turned off.

    So I find this fascinating, I don't think many of you do but maybe someone does. Other areas of itnerest to me are.. for example NLP and B. F. Skinner's work, even though I think he's a straight up nazi, none of the less it's interesting.

    I think if might be possible if you can properly engage in the gaze, combined with rest of correct body language, appearance, tone, carefully chosen words, you might even get into close hypnotic stages, not actual hypnotism, but let's say that you can become extremely persuasive and use manipulation on people. You can make them receptive that is. Make them like you.
    In da butt.
    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
    THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
    "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

  • #2
    My mother taught me to watch people and things.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      Hmm, that's a weird teachings, what does that mean?

      Anyway, all said in OP sounds ramblings, weird stuff, but all I'm after is a way to control a social interraction to your advantage, now this does not include normal situation with your friends. That's not what I'km interested in.

      This is between you and a complete stranger and there's a time constraint that is fairly short, in which you must get your goal achieved, whether it's lying to them or not.

      One of my favourite things to do is to get someone listen to me very carefully, pay attention. Explain something to them, and ask them and basically see if they are following and really paying attention. So you make your argument. Then, you reverse it by saying the exact opposite thing, and they agree again. But the point is that they don't see the contradiction, so it's not a lesson that evolved into different thing, it's gross contradiction and the person does not see it. Then you can go back and forth as many times as you want. You get guilty pleasure from it.

      The best part is when you then make the question 'doesn't this contradict this though?' and they kind of nod or are confused... then you stab with 'No. It's not really a contradiction'. That's one of the most fun lies. To basically rip a concept apart that is a fact and 'make sense' when it doesn't make any sense at all. Then people are really confused and think it's their own fault because some parts are missing.
      In da butt.
      "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
      THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
      "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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      • #4
        Troll?

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        • #5
          I used to do something like this over the phone when I was a support techie. It was important to gain the trust of the flustered user at the other end, and sometimes I'd close my eyes and visualise deep into their mind while talking - to calm them, inspire confidence, and persuade them that we were on the way to a solution.

          A load of bollox, of course, but I've heard of successful radio presenters who visualise a close one-to-one with their invisible audience to create a feeling of intimacy.

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          • #6
            Report back when you've mastered force choking, then I'll be impressed
            Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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            • #7
              Force choking? That's sending loads of Archers to pillage and deny high-yield tiles to gain economic advantage, n'est-pas?

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