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  • #16
    Well she earns more than I earnt when I was in the NHS, although she works more hours. The wage is poor, but its hardly subsistance living. It just means theres no money to save or splash out regularly, and that would be quite demoralizing if she was stuck in the job. Shes stuffed however because she has 2 kids (wheres the dads income??)
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Arrian
      Are council taxes property taxes? Who sets them? Local gummint or Parliament?
      -Arrian
      Yes, they're a local tax based on the value of the property you live in, whether owned or rented. As all property in London is incredibly expensive, all the coucil tax bills are high. I think I pay around £1200 p/a, excluding fines & Bailiff fees etc for late payment.

      Local govt sets them, but central govt raises the bar in the first place by moving expenditure to the local level.

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      • #18
        the recent boom in house prices means that council tax will rise when all of the properties are re-evaluated; however Labour has decided that it won;t do that before the next general election, the *****....
        You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cort Haus


          Yes, they're a local tax based on the value of the property you live in, whether owned or rented. As all property in London is incredibly expensive, all the coucil tax bills are high. I think I pay around £1200 p/a, excluding fines & Bailiff fees etc for late payment.

          Local govt sets them, but central govt raises the bar in the first place by moving expenditure to the local level.
          Right, gotcha. That's what I thought. I don't recall paying property tax on my apartment when I was renting. I had to pay property tax on my car, and a fire tax, but no property tax on my dwelling... that would be payed by the landlord (which of course would then get pushed off on the renter anyway in the form of higher rent).

          -Arrian
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          • #20
            So a Conservative mouthpiece blames the nasty Labour government for this mess. Who brought in Council Tax - the Tories (to replace the even more unpopular Poll tax, which hit the poor even harder). Who screwed local authority financing by centralising business rates and starting the process of dictating exactly what local authorities should spend their money on - the Tories (and they did it to avoid an unpopular rates revaluation). Labour is certainly guilty of lacking the balls to undo the mess Maggie left behind but they are merely continuing with the system the Conservatives bequeathed them (and are not proposing to change).

            Maybe she would have a little more money if she divorced the husband who walked out on her and sought some child maintenance from him. The CSA may be incompetent but people with government jobs whose pay can easily be tapped at source are amongst the few they do get.
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            • #21
              I'd go with just increasing the wages for armed forces personnel. £11,500 is hopeless, particularly given the vast sums given to doctors and teachers (Scottish teachers get £21K starting salary).

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              • #22
                boris johnson is one the few politicians in this country who genuinely believes in freedom. which is why he always stands in stark contrast to the labour government.

                council tax is massively unfair. what effect do you think rises at 2-3 times the rate of inflation year on year have on people with fixed incomes? like pensioners who are among the poorest in our society. or on people with low incomes who rent, and have the misfortune to live in urban areas with high property values.

                and cerb trotting out the 'it's all the tories fault!!11' line, you must be joking right? even labour politicians don't bother with that one these days! labour has been in government for 9 long years and has done nothing but increased taxes and wasted our money. working people in this country now pay more as a % of their income than people in germany for crying out loud, all thanks to gordon brown's stealth taxes.

                as for tax credits, they are an absolute disgrace. instead of just having lower tax rates or higher thresholds, we have a hugely complex system, that not even the people running it understand. it employs thousands of useless bean counters with our money, is open to fraud, and is so impenetrable that 2/5 of pensioners do not claim what they are entitled to. to really put the icing on the cake, they pay too much in error to some of the poorest families and then demand back huge sums of money which these families have no way of paying.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Spiffor

                  It's pathetically low for a before-tax pay.

                  It's also a shame that the state exploits people like that. I thought your extremely low wages were intended for private exploiters, not public ones.
                  There needs to be some incentive to hire inexperienced workers. It gives them help to get on to the job ladder.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Arrian


                    Right, gotcha. That's what I thought. I don't recall paying property tax on my apartment when I was renting. I had to pay property tax on my car, and a fire tax, but no property tax on my dwelling... that would be payed by the landlord (which of course would then get pushed off on the renter anyway in the form of higher rent).

                    -Arrian
                    The owner of the property pays the property taxes. Likely the owner rolled in the cost of the property taxes into the price of the rent or if, due to market conditions, he was unable to pass on those costs then he ate them himself.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by C0ckney
                      boris johnson is one the few politicians in this country who genuinely believes in freedom. which is why he always stands in stark contrast to the labour government.
                      Not to mention to the rest of his own party.

                      council tax is massively unfair. what effect do you think rises at 2-3 times the rate of inflation year on year have on people with fixed incomes? like pensioners who are among the poorest in our society. or on people with low incomes who rent, and have the misfortune to live in urban areas with high property values.


                      And the Conservative Party proposes...?

                      and cerb trotting out the 'it's all the tories fault!!11' line, you must be joking right? even labour politicians don't bother with that one these days! labour has been in government for 9 long years and has done nothing but increased taxes and wasted our money. working people in this country now pay more as a % of their income than people in germany for crying out loud, all thanks to gordon brown's stealth taxes.


                      My point was that whilst Labour has failed to sort out this aspect of the mess they inherited the Tories don't appear to have any other ideas themselves (ideas rather than Dave's vague promises that is).

                      as for tax credits, they are an absolute disgrace. instead of just having lower tax rates or higher thresholds, we have a hugely complex system, that not even the people running it understand. it employs thousands of useless bean counters with our money, is open to fraud, and is so impenetrable that 2/5 of pensioners do not claim what they are entitled to. to really put the icing on the cake, they pay too much in error to some of the poorest families and then demand back huge sums of money which these families have no way of paying.


                      I'd certainly agree that the tax credit scheme is a disaster. Expecting the Inland Revenue to properly give money back to people was/is incredibly stupid, even by the standards of British politicians.
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