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  • When you're surviving on £102 a week, tax cuts make sense

    I've never voted Conservative in my life, but as Tories go, I quite like Boris Johnson.

    Here he defends working-class people on low incomes from the ravages of New Labour's tax regime:


    When you're surviving on £102 a week, tax cuts make sense

    Oh, I know we can't promise tax cuts. I know we can't say exactly which way we would crank the great levers of the Treasury, if and when a Tory government were to get in.

    I know that George Osborne is bang on when he says that stability is the number one priority, and I know the public would rightly doubt the value of whatever we said so far from an election.

    And I also know that, as soon as we gave the very ghost of a tax-cutting commitment, the great Labour lie machine would chunter into action. Ed Balls would start boggling indignantly from your screens. Gordon would begin his nasal dronathon about closed hospitals, axed nurses, cancelled heart operations and mutilated stumps.

    But in case there is anyone out there who doubts the evil of how Gordon Brown taxes the poor, let them hear the ill-effects on those in our Armed Forces who slave to put bread on the table for their families, and who are walloped for their pains by the Chancellor.

    Last week, I met a woman who works for the RAF. It is fair to say that, without her efforts, and the efforts of thousands like her, our helicopters would not fly. Our Army would not be victualled, our soldiers would not be shod or armed.

    She works 45 hours a week in RAF supply, and receives from the MoD £11,500 per year, as well as a small London weighting. She pays income tax at a rate of £116.01 per month, National Insurance at £61.45 per month, and her pension contributions are £37.92.

    And then of course there is council tax, good old council tax, and for the privilege of having her bins emptied and travelling on well-lit streets, she has to cough up about a tenth of her income -- that is, £118 per month, on top of her rent, which is £366 per month for a three-bedroom house.

    She has two daughters, and to make ends meet she drives 12 miles every Saturday morning (in a rented car, which costs a bomb, but the buses are no use for her purposes) to work in a building society.

    By giving up a large chunk of her weekends, she is able to bring in another £1,500 -- a year. She can't earn overtime in the RAF; the best she can do is work extra hours at the base, and so earn paid days off.

    The result is that, at the end of it all, she has about £102 per week to spend on herself and the rest of the household. That is £102 on light, heat, car, clothes and any incidental pleasures or excitements that she may be able to eke out of the remainder.

    Now imagine if that poor helicopter lady gets a parking ticket. Imagine the financial chaos, the sense of doom and oppression, if she were to suffer the kind of mishap that occurs to me just about every day: getting the car clamped, hitting a ball through a window, falling off a bicycle and ripping my trousers.

    Imagine what it means to pay an unexpected £50, when you are trying to survive on £102 per week. Think how it must be to find yourself in the toils of some debt you never meant to incur, and which was entirely the fault of the authorities.

    Last year, the benefits people decided that she was poor enough to qualify for working tax credit, and then they changed their minds. Now they want her to pay back £1,000 and of course she doesn't have it, and she doesn't see how she can get it.

    She doesn't get any benefits: that's right, not a bean, not a sausage of any of Gordon Brown's means-tested benefits. She has been told that she is not quite destitute enough to qualify for family credit, income support, working tax credit, housing benefit, incapacity benefit or council tax benefit, and the wonderful thing about this woman is that she doesn't even want any benefits.

    She is socially responsible; she sees herself as part of the productive sector of society, not a drain. She thinks of herself as a hard-working member of the Armed Services, who is helping to contribute to Britain's huge international effort, and she is right. She is a small part of our struggle to bring democracy to Iraq. In so far as we have a coherent plan to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan, she is an invaluable part of that plan. She is doing her bit for her country.

    What is her country doing for her? The MoD has kicked her off the patch -- the RAF base -- because her RAF husband walked out on her, and, instead of showing any sympathy for her predicament, and the extreme difficulty she has in paying for her rent and her council tax, her MoD bosses are just siphoning the council tax money out of her pay slip as though she had no rights whatever over her own money.

    It is no consolation to her to say that interest rates are low. She has no mortgage. It's the tax that's making her life so much harder -- the huge amount the state claws back from the derisory sum it gives her.

    It is the council tax that does for her, the council tax that has been pumped up by Gordon Brown as he imposes ever more unfunded liabilities on local government, the council tax that Labour now wants to raise by revaluing her property; and if the government snoopers think the view from her bedroom window is sufficiently charming, they will nudge her up from one band to the next and make her pay even more.

    So when those Labour people come on and say it's only the greedy Tories who care about tax cuts, think of the lady who keeps the helicopters flying, and her unbearable cheerfulness.

    I think it's true that much of Middle Britain is suspicious of "tax cuts" as a political slogan. It's true that people want good hospitals and schools.

    But then much of Middle Britain doesn't feel the impact of tax in the way that low-paid personnel in the Armed Services feel it, and it is people like the helicopter lady who should have the first call on our protection and support.



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    And if the guy proposes a tax cut for the poorest members of society, whilst leaving taxes on the upper class as they are, I would hope the cries of the "Labor Lie Machine" would fall on deaf ears.

    If, on the other hand, one peddles a tax cut for the poor but delivers a massive handout to the rich... well that's another matter, isn't it?

    I don't know enough about UK politics, or this guy specifically, to have an opinion as to which form his proposal would actually take.

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    • #3
      This guy is a real character, who speaks his mind in an era of pager-carrying on-message drones. He's always getting into trouble for saying the 'wrong' thing - often by defending the individual against the power of the state and consensus opinion.

      I don't always agree with him, and it's not clear what his whole tax plans would be, but it's rare for Tories to demonstrate any understanding of the plight of the low-paid. One thing his article highlights is the level of 'stealth' tax levied by this government on people who can ill-afford to pay for it, by shifting costs from central to local government.

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      • #4
        Except if UK conservatives were like American conservatives then the rich would get a 20% reduction in their taxes while the poor, like you, would get a free postage stamp.
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        • #5
          One thing his article highlights is the level of 'stealth' tax levied by this government on people who can ill-afford to pay for it, by shifting costs from central to local government.
          That happens here too, of course. Gotta pay for that oh-so-necessary war! Yessir!

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          • #6
            Except if UK conservatives were like American conservatives then the rich would get a 20% reduction in their taxes while the poor, like you, would get a free postage stamp.


            The poor in America are already exempt from federal taxes. How do you reduce the taxes of people who don't pay them?
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            • #7
              She works 45 hours a week in RAF supply, and receives from the MoD £11,500 per year, as well as a small London weighting. She pays income tax at a rate of £116.01 per month, National Insurance at £61.45 per month, and her pension contributions are £37.92.

              And then of course there is council tax, good old council tax, and for the privilege of having her bins emptied and travelling on well-lit streets, she has to cough up about a tenth of her income -- that is, £118 per month, on top of her rent, which is £366 per month for a three-bedroom house.

              She has two daughters, and to make ends meet she drives 12 miles every Saturday morning (in a rented car, which costs a bomb, but the buses are no use for her purposes) to work in a building society.

              By giving up a large chunk of her weekends, she is able to bring in another £1,500 -- a year. She can't earn overtime in the RAF; the best she can do is work extra hours at the base, and so earn paid days off.

              The result is that, at the end of it all, she has about £102 per week to spend on herself and the rest of the household. That is £102 on light, heat, car, clothes and any incidental pleasures or excitements that she may be able to eke out of the remainder.

              Wait wait wait, she earns £960 a month for 45 hours a week, before taxes and social system?

              Maybe that's the first problem? Shouldn't she get paid better than a pittance for her work?
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              • #8
                Reasons to vote Conservative:
                1. Opposing Labour in constituencies where Lib Dems are not a viable alternative
                2. Getting to listen to Boris speaking in Parliament.


                That is about it to be honest. All politicians are scumbags, but it seems to most people that Boris is the exception that proves the rule.
                You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  Except if UK conservatives were like American conservatives then the rich would get a 20% reduction in their taxes while the poor, like you, would get a free postage stamp.


                  The poor in America are already exempt from federal taxes. How do you reduce the taxes of people who don't pay them?
                  Not the working poor and only income taxes. You forget payroll taxes, FICA, and SSI.
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                  • #10
                    That sounds like minimum wage tbh; something like £5.35 /hour for over 21s, $4.45 for 18-21, and £3.30 for under 18s.
                    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                    • #11
                      Are council taxes property taxes? Who sets them? Local gummint or Parliament?

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                      • #12
                        Not the working poor and only income taxes. You forget payroll taxes, FICA, and SSI.


                        I'm sure you really want to do something to fix Social Security...
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                        • #13
                          Yes, I do. Remove the income cap and make the rich pay their full share. Mean while I would let the poor off scot free on payroll taxes other then SSI.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Krill
                            That sounds like minimum wage tbh; something like £5.35 /hour for over 21s, $4.45 for 18-21, and £3.30 for under 18s.
                            It's pathetically low for a before-tax pay.

                            It's also a shame that the state exploits people like that. I thought your extremely low wages were intended for private exploiters, not public ones.
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                            • #15
                              Council tax is the tax on property, issued by local dovernment, though parliament can step in and tell county councils to be nice. They did that last year in come places, I think, so instead of a 15% increase in some places it was merely 10%...a hell of a lot higher than inflation.

                              Spiffor...the problem is the incredably high cost of living in this country, the stupendously high property prices, and the fact that you can't get a well paid job without a degree...and I'm in the first year that pays "Top up Fees", meaning I'm going to be lucky to come out of my uni with a good degree, and either way I'm going to be more than £20,000 in debt. There just aren't any easy ways out any more. I'll be in debt so when I get a job and start earning more than £15,000 a year my tuition fees et al will start being automatically repaid.

                              The problem is that you have to find a job that pays half decently and has promotion prospects so you can start earning more
                              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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