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  • #16
    Originally posted by SlowwHand
    Why didn't the North sue the South then?
    Because they were supporting the status quo, and because nice theoretical arguments really are just that. When both sides are willing to resort to force...
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    • #17
      Ol' "Honest" Abe. What a wool puller he was.
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      • #18
        Don't you just love that TV add where the Beaver and Lincoln are trying to lure some dude back to his dream world?

        the actor in that add is a marvelous Lincoln.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Victor Galis


          The determination of what consitutes a right under that 10th amendment is something for the Supreme Court to decide.
          No, the 10th Amendment clearly states that the states have this right, as it is not specified as federal. There's no need for the SC to be involved.
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          • #20
            Re: U.S. Civil War - Did the South Have the Right to Secede?

            nope, because they simply did not have the population or the industry, and hence the military strength to back it up.

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            • #21
              Re: Re: U.S. Civil War - Did the South Have the Right to Secede?

              Originally posted by Whoha
              nope, because they simply did not have the population or the industry to back it up.
              Isn't that for them to decide?
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              • #22
                Re: Re: Re: U.S. Civil War - Did the South Have the Right to Secede?

                Originally posted by Caligastia
                Isn't that for them to decide?
                It was... and they failed.
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                • #23
                  I meant to ask you before. Several years ago your family had problems with ignorant bigots.
                  I believe that was in New Jersey. How much problem did you encounter in Georgia?
                  I daresay a lot, since we all know what hick rednecks all are in the South. Given the fact you surely must have, odd you bore the brunt of it without saying anything.

                  I feel certain you wouldn't have an episode-free school experience, and then turn around and speak poorly of them.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Caligastia


                    No, the 10th Amendment clearly states that the states have this right, as it is not specified as federal. There's no need for the SC to be involved.
                    Why do you assume this is a right? Furthermore, is the theoretical existance of this right relevant if it can not be exercised.

                    I daresay a lot, since we all know what hick rednecks all are in the South. Given the fact you surely must have, odd you bore the brunt of it without saying anything.
                    You mistake the inside of the Perimeter with the South, whereas most of metro Atlanta is in fact a northern colony.
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                    • #25
                      So Sherman burned a Northern city?
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                      • #26
                        I actually think that states do (or did, anyway) have the right to seceed from the Union. Exactly how to do it is another matter... and obviously firing on Ft. Sumter gave Lincoln the pretext he needed to use troops to put down the rebellion.

                        That's an entirely seperate issue from the arguments we've had regarding whether or not slavery was the primary driver of secession, and regarding the original and uses of the Confed Battle Flag (or whatever it's proper name is).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SlowwHand
                          So Sherman burned a Northern city?
                          No. This is a recent thing. The population of Atlanta was around 1 million fairly recently (70s, 80s?). It's currently 4+ million. Where did all those people come from? The North (and Mexico... ignore the illegal mexicans). (Birth rates don't support quadrupling of populations in one generation.
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                          • #28
                            edit: dp
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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                            • #29
                              I'm not sure I'd say the right to sucession is implied rather than simply not addressed, much in the same way many issues in the US are, leading to rediculous arguments about what the Founding Fathers would think.
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                              • #30
                                He's saying that Imran is still living in the north, albeit a northern colonial possession in GA, I do believe.

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