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    Cuba ponders how to fix socialist economy

    By Marc Frank Mon Oct 23, 5:03 PM ET

    HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuba has begun debating how to correct rampant theft and inefficiency in state-run services, from pouring beer to shining shoes, that could signal a step toward economic reform under acting President Raul Castro.

    In a scathing three-part series on graft in shops and bars entitled The Big Old Swindle, the Communist Youth newspaper Juventud Rebelde said on Sunday a team of university experts will investigate ways to improve services.

    The articles uncovered bar employees stealing from the state by serving less beer than stipulated and taxis drivers overcharging passengers, but stopped short of recommending the privatization of such services.

    "The current irregularities in the country's services, in the midst of the search for a better economic model, has meant Cuba still does not have a retail and services sector that satisfies people's expectations," the newspaper said.

    The debate comes amid growing questions about the future of one of the world's last communist societies since its leader
    Fidel Castro underwent emergency surgery in late July and disappeared from public view.

    "The important thing, to me, is that they are asking the questions. "Why doesn't it work?" a European diplomat posted to Havana said.

    "My doubt is whether they are brave enough to start asking themselves questions without trying to confine the answers to Marxist philosophy," he said.

    Cubans have long complained in private about poor state services, from deficient public transport to bare shop shelves. Many see privatization as the best way forward.

    Since Raul Castro temporarily took over the government from his ailing brother on July 31, foreign and local experts have speculated that the younger Castro, aged 75, is more pragmatic and could move Cuba toward a more open Chinese economic model.

    Cuban officials rule out following the example of China, which opened its economy to capitalist enterprise while retaining political power under the Communist Party.

    SETS SERVING AMOUNTS

    Cuba's economy, modeled on Soviet communism that ultimately failed, is overwhelmingly state-controlled. The state provides supplies and sets serving amounts and prices for everything from a cup of coffee and ham sandwich to watch repairs and shoe shining.

    "The theory that came from the Soviet Union was skewered," economist Luis Marcelo Yera of the National Economic Research Institute told Juventud Rebelde. He advocated giving workers more power to decide the running of state enterprises.

    Yera was one of a number of academics quoted in the paper who stated systemic problems, including over centralization, hampered economic development and could not be dealt with simply by more regulation and discipline.

    Juventud Rebelde, like other media often used by the government to place topics up for debate, stopped short of calling for restoration of private property, though some Cuban intellectuals say it would be the best way, even if in the form of collective private property, to improve the retail sector.

    Fidel Castro, who is said to be recovering from intestinal surgery, warned a year ago that corruption could undermine the society born of his 1959 revolution.

    Earlier this year, Castro sent thousands of young social workers and communist militants, as well as retirees, into work places to root out corruption and waste.

    They discovered, among other examples, that half the gasoline and diesel fuel pumped in the country was stolen. Cuba then proceeded to replace all service station employees.

    Earlier this year the media carried a series of reports on irregularities in the state-run produce-distribution system, but stopped short of offering solutions.

    Juventud Rebelde inferred that much more was needed, considering that criticism by academic experts were published on Sunday that were almost certainly approved at the highest levels of government.

    "We live in a society with many distortions; that's why many things have to be guaranteed through cohesion and control, but not everything can be accomplished that way," Ernesto Molina, from Cuba's top school for international relations, told the paper.

    "We need a scientific plan to organize society politically and economically so it works better," he said.
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    The articles uncovered bar employees stealing from the state by serving less beer than stipulated and taxis drivers overcharging passengers, but stopped short of recommending the privatization of such services.
    Privatize to end criminal activity??? Maybe someone should explain to them about Milken, Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, Duke Power, Hughes Supermarkets and soon to come: Halliburton.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zkribbler
      Privatize to end criminal activity??? Maybe someone should explain to them about Milken, Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, Duke Power, Hughes Supermarkets and soon to come: Halliburton.
      tool.

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      • #4
        How to fix a socialist economy?

        Stop being socialist!
        THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
        AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
        AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
        DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          tool.
          Y'know Kuci...someday you should have someone explain to you how being obnoxious is not the same as being clever. I don't think you know the difference.

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          • #6
            Though Kuci was right
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zkribbler


              Y'know Kuci...someday you should have someone explain to you how being obnoxious is not the same as being clever. I don't think you know the difference.
              QFT

              But there is always hope that with age, ideas will ripe also
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LordShiva
                How to fix a socialist economy?

                Stop being socialist!
                That's just crazy talk. Next you'll be saying political freedom might be a good idea as well.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Yet Cuba still has an very good and insanely cheap healthcare system. Socialism may suck, but the side effect that people actually listen to government messages (like eat less fat, smoke less, take more exercise, etc.) is quite useful.
                  Smile
                  For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                  But he would think of something

                  "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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                  • #10
                    Honestly, the problems they list are not the ones you solve through privatization, though I admit there as such problems.
                    "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                    -Joan Robinson

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                    • #11
                      (like eat less fat, smoke less, take more exercise, etc.)
                      This is easy when you don't have money to buy good-tasting fatty food, expensive foreign cars and when all the cigars are sold to foreign countries because of their cult states and rarity.

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                      • #12
                        I'm going there next January or February. I'll make a full report.
                        What?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by VJ
                          This is easy when you don't have money to buy good-tasting fatty food, expensive foreign cars and when all the cigars are sold to foreign countries because of their cult states and rarity.
                          Funny that, the Haitians have an even worse access to luxuries, and their healthcare is terrible
                          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                          • #14
                            Really, upon reading the article (which is definitely not commie in its tone), I don't see how one can sing that privatization is the answer.

                            1. This is not a matter of privatization vs collective ownership, it is a matter of market vs non-market. If the businesses were privatized, but the prices still state controlled, you'd have exactly the same problems. Well, maybe the local businessmen would police their staff a little better, but that wouldn't tackle the root causes.

                            2. If the market was liberalized (if the prices weren't set by the state, but decided by each individual store, regardless whether each store is responsible toward the capitalist or the worker), there would be a dramatic incrase in prices. The reason why there's so much corruption is clearly because the demand for these goods largely exceeds supply. Now, a liberalized economy might mean that the shelves are full, but that a part of the population couldn't pay for the products. It's nothing fantastic.

                            I insist on these two points, because the mass-privatization in East Germany has been a disaster, as it was too naive. It seems Raul has the senses not to take a foreign model directly. He also seems willing to open a debate that touches much of the population, though the debate seems to be limited in the topics it can assess.

                            Personally, I'd advocate the progressive transition toward an economy where companies are communes managed by their employees, and in which the employees have full benefit from their good results. The State would keep an important role as it manages capital allocation.
                            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                            • #15
                              What are the relations between the PCF and the PCC?
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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