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  • #16
    Originally posted by Zkribbler
    -they have freedoms now ; they can speak, think, do what they want
    when they're not getting shot at.
    Do you want to imply that for enjoying those freedoms they'd need some security? Why do you hate freedom?

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    • #17
      Eveything is fine in Iraq...!
      They are throwing flowers to our troops even now...!

      By flowers I mean RPGs.
      Last edited by curtsibling; October 23, 2006, 03:58.
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      • #18
        Re: we are winning the war in Iraq!

        Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
        Think about it:

        -They voted in their first EVER elections
        -We are rebuilding their infrastructure
        -The Kurds finally can live in peace
        -they have freedoms now ; they can speak, think, do what they want
        -Their economy has begun to stabilize
        -They are now ruling over themselves
        -Their army is strengthening and soon we'll be able to stand down as they stand up

        If that isn't victory, then what is?




        (That's all I have to say.)
        I'm not buying BtS until Firaxis impliments the "contiguous cultural border negates colony tax" concept.

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        • #19
          Good that's all you have to say.

          West can't abandon Iraq, says deputy PM

          By Adrian Croft
          1 hour, 16 minutes ago

          LONDON (Reuters) -
          Iraq is vital to the world's future and the West cannot cut and run despite growing anxiety over the relentless bloodshed there, Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih said on Monday.

          Salih, in London for talks with British Prime Minister
          Tony Blair and other ministers, voiced concern at the growing pressure on the British and U.S. governments to change direction in Iraq given the heavy death toll among coalition forces and Iraqis.

          He stressed that Iraqi forces were gradually taking over responsibility for security but said Iraq needed the "enduring support" of the international community to combat what he called "a difficult onslaught by terrorists."

          Asked about a pledge by Australia's opposition to pull the country's troops out of Iraq if it wins the next election, Salih said: "I do believe there is no option for the international community to cut and run."

          "The fate of Iraq is vital to the future of the Middle East and the world order," he told reporters.

          U.S. military deaths in Iraq in October have reached at least 85, making it the deadliest month for Americans this year and raising pressure on
          President George W. Bush before Congressional elections next month in which Republicans could lose majorities in both houses.

          U.S. military officials in Iraq have admitted that a two-month plan to secure Baghdad has failed to curb violence.

          In Britain, army chief General Richard Dannatt sparked a political storm this month by saying British troops should withdraw from Iraq soon as their presence was worsening the security situation there and in the wider world.

          ATTACK

          In an attack highlighting the problems Washington and London face in recruiting and training Iraqi security forces, 13 police recruits were killed and 25 wounded in an ambush on a convoy of buses near the town of Baquba, north east of Baghdad, on Sunday.

          Salih emerged from talks with Blair saying he was "heartened to know the prime minister's continued commitment to the cause of democracy, freedom and stability in Iraq."

          Blair's spokesman denied Blair had put any pressure on Salih to speed up the handover of security in the south to Iraqi forces. "We are not working to an arbitrary deadline. It is dependent on the condition, the numbers, the quality and the ability of the Iraqi forces," he said.

          Salih said the Iraqi government hoped to speed up the process of taking control of security.

          "By the end of this year, nearly seven or eight provinces of Iraq out of 18 provinces will be under direct Iraqi security control," he said.

          Salih said Iraqi troops had reclaimed the southern town of Amara from militias, without needing coalition troops, after 25 people were killed there last week in clashes between Shi'ite militias and police.

          The Iraqi government on Monday announced a curfew in Amara due to the security situation there.

          Salih told BBC radio he was concerned about the debate in both the United States and Europe "because there is too much of a pessimistic tone to this debate -- even I would say in certain circles a defeatist tone."

          "We need to be realist but not defeatist. We need to understand that there is a need of utmost urgency to deal with many of the problems of Iraq but we must not give in to panic."

          Bush said last week he saw a possible parallel in the rise of violence in Iraq and the 1968 communist Tet offensive, which triggered a drop in Americans' support for the Vietnam War.

          Bush said on Saturday he would make "every necessary change" in tactics to try to control violence in Iraq, but said the U.S. goal there was clear and unchanging.

          U.S. State Department official Alberto Fernandez said on Al Jazeera television the U.S. had shown "arrogance" and "stupidity" in Iraq, but later said he had misspoken.

          Former U.S. Secretary of State James Baker is leading a panel preparing recommendations for alternative strategies in Iraq and some have suggested the administration might use the group's findings as cover for an exit strategy. But the report will not be issued until after the November 7 election.

          (Additional reporting by Claudia Parsons in Baghdad and David Clarke, Katherine Baldwin and Sophie Walker in London)
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #20
            The OP is just a troll...

            ...it has to be.

            Spec.
            -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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            • #21
              Last week represented the week when everyone in govt and the military in the UK and US fessed up and admitted that, yes, Iraq was indeed one gigantic cluster****!

              Dannat, Blair, Baker, Bush, Fernandez...

              Problem is, now they're stuck with it and indeed do have to 'stay the course'...

              Expect both govts to start backtracking on their promises to Iraq and start getting the hell out of dodge - just like they've backtracked on everything else in this benighted disaster.

              October deadliest month of year for U.S. troops in Iraq

              Dumbest quote in that article has to be:

              "But what we aren't doing is sitting there with our heads in the sand. We're completely changing and making tactical changes on a week-by-week basis as we respond to the enemy's reactions to our strategies."
              Translation: They're running around like headless chickenhawks without the slightest clue because everything they've tried has failed abjectly since the easy bit of actually overthrowing Saddam...
              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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              • #22
                Yes, certain people are finally accepting reality, and it's not pretty.

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #23
                  Says the man with the Lebanese flag. Hezbollah's no doubt spray-painted "Mission Accomplished" on the one wall still standing in Beirut. The other side runs around like headless fowl too, they just get away with it more because they have a civilian populace to hide in. Plus, unlike them, we have (some) compunctions about murdering civilians in the process of defeating our enemy.
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                  • #24
                    Yepper.
                    I think their government asking we not leave has more validity than Mobius, for one, constantly whining.

                    OTOH, they better take charge, or I'm for leaving them flat on their ass like they've spent recent history.
                    Last edited by SlowwHand; October 23, 2006, 12:51.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #25
                      By the way, what country is mobius from?
                      I need a foot massage

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                      • #26
                        Mingapulco
                        Blah

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                        • #27
                          England. You never hear him say a word about it though.
                          He has all the answers for the USA.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BeBro
                            Mingapulco
                            No, he just spends most of his time there.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Elok
                              Says the man with the Lebanese flag. Hezbollah's no doubt spray-painted "Mission Accomplished" on the one wall still standing in Beirut. The other side runs around like headless fowl too, they just get away with it more because they have a civilian populace to hide in. Plus, unlike them, we have (some) compunctions about murdering civilians in the process of defeating our enemy.
                              Hezbollah didn't ask or expect Israel to come in and flatten an entire country killing over a thousand Lebanese civilians.

                              Israel escalated a routine border skirmish out of all proportion and frankly paid the price.

                              Israel accomplished none of its aims, Hezb accomplished all of theirs - So yes, Hezb have every right to spray "Mission Accomplished", assuming they can even find one wall still standing...

                              Did they even get their two kidnapped soldiers back yet?
                              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                                Yepper.
                                I think their government asking we not leave has more validity than Mobius, for one, constantly whining.

                                OTOH, they better take charge, or I'm for leaving them flat on their ass like they've spent recent history.
                                You really are a colossal meathead aren't you!!?

                                Firstly, now that we're in Iraq, we have to stick around until we can safely hand over to the Iraqi govt - EVEN IF IT MEANS LOADS MORE COALITION CASUALTIES!!!

                                We ****ed their country up for some stupid egotistical vanity project by Messrs Bush and Blair - we are now duty bound by all that is decent to fix the **** we caused!

                                Just cause you're a ***** with no balls who now wants to run away like a coward just cos things have turned to **** - doesn't mean the rest of us are!

                                I was anti-war - but now we're there we HAVE to sort it out, no matter how much it costs us!
                                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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