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    Interesting article which says the UK is now Al Qaeda's number one target and that it has built a number of cells in the country which it controls through an actual chain of command. It is looking a lot like the IRA and less like the loose decentralized organization we had been lead to believe it was.


    UK 'number one al-Qaeda target'
    Scene of London bus bombing
    The bombings on 7 July last year killed 52 people
    Al-Qaeda has become more organised and sophisticated and has made Britain its top target, counter-terrorism officials have told the BBC.

    Security sources say the situation has never been so grim, said BBC home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore.

    They believe the network is now operating a cell structure in the UK - like the IRA did - and sees the 7 July bomb attacks "as just the beginning".

    Each cell has a leader, a quartermaster dealing with weapons, and volunteers.

    According to our correspondent, each cell works on separate, different plots, with masterminds controlling several different cells.

    Those involved in the cells were often aware they were being followed and so were meeting in public spaces.

    In addition, training is taking place in the UK and Pakistan.


    They set up groups a bit like Boy Scouts or Boys' Brigade... totally legitimate
    BBC home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore

    It was thought that five years ago al-Qaeda was a number of "loosely-connected organisations" with common aims, but it is now more organised, she said.

    Security officials are concerned the group is targeting universities and the community, and are "less worried" about mosques, she added.

    The network is targeting men in their late teens and early 20s, according to our correspondent.

    "They set up groups a bit like Boy Scouts or Boys' Brigade... totally legitimate.

    "Those who are particularly interested they start giving religious indoctrination.

    "Then those who are very interested they start introducing to political teachings, anti-Western rhetoric.

    Bonding sessions

    "And those who are still interested they then start giving technical training.

    "They also start sending them on bonding sessions to things like white-water rafting.

    "You end up with a small team of people - the cell is prepared.

    "A lot of this is happening outside London," our correspondent added.

    Joint regional offices of MI5 intelligence gatherers and anti-terrorist police officers have been set up in Manchester, Birmingham and Sheffield.


    The leadership of al-Qaeda does appear to ... be more coherent and organised than had been thought in recent years
    Gordon Corera
    BBC security correspondent

    BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera said the view was Britain was particularly vulnerable because "it may be easier for al-Qaeda to strike the UK than other targets".

    He said these views were "based on activity they are actually seeing. Plots they're disrupting, trials which might be coming up soon".

    "There is hard evidence behind it, rather than just theories," said our correspondent.

    "That's based partly on what they are seeing, in terms of the types of activity, and partly based on the coincidence, that al-Qaeda's leadership is based in the tribal areas of Pakistan where there are links to the UK and flows of people going back and forwards.

    "It makes it easier to make the UK a target than the other countries it might wish to target."

    The network also appeared to be better organised, he continued.

    "The leadership of al-Qaeda does appear to have been re-grouping and to be more coherent and organised than had been thought in recent years.

    "The view is it clearly was an organised group before 9/11, but the campaign in Afghanistan disrupted that leadership very heavily.


    It is no longer about looking for a needle in a haystack
    Crispin Black
    Security analyst

    "But in recent years, particularly in the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan, the al-Qaeda leadership has been able to re-group and re-organise itself.

    "In doing so it's able to open up channels of communication, contact, recruitment and planning around the world, and operate those in a more coherent fashion than maybe we were seeing three years' ago."

    However, intelligence analyst Crispin Black said another attack in the UK "was not inevitable", citing the UK's "considerable successes against the IRA".

    "We still have that expertise and training present within our military forces and intelligence," he said.

    "It is no longer about looking for a needle in a haystack. We have some pretty good clues and information on where we should be looking."

    A Home Office spokeswoman referred to a recent speech by Home Secretary John Reid in which he referred to the now "seamless threat" of radicalisation.

    This was a challenge they expected to "last a generation", she said.
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  • #2
    They've had a chain of command. Remember the playing card deck? It's just that they got whittled up.
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    • #3
      The playing cards were for Ba'athists not Al Qaeda!
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      • #4
        lol pwned LOL
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          The playing cards were for Ba'athists not Al Qaeda!
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          • #6
            So you maintain they didn't have a chain of command, and that that chain hasn't been whittled down?
            Do I see a research project forthcoming?
            The deck of cards were terrorists. No particular a clan name.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              The deck of cards were terrorists. No particular a clan name.
              Admit your pwnage, Sloww. They dealt with the Iraqi regime and nothing further. And no, the Iraqi regime were not 'terrorists', at least not to the US at any rate (debatable to call them state terrorists to certain minorities).



              In the 2003 invasion of Iraq by a United States-led coalition, the U.S. military developed a set of playing cards to help troops identify the most-wanted members of President Saddam Hussein's government, mostly high-ranking Baath Party members or members of the Revolutionary Command Council. The cards were officially named the "personality identification playing cards".
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              • #8
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  They need to come out with an Al Qaeda the Gathering set. Expansion packs available on a yearly basis.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                    They need to come out with an Al Qaeda the Gathering set. Expansion packs available on a yearly basis.


                    What would be OBL's special power and mana cost?
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                    • #11
                      Every card would say "second in command."

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

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                      • #12
                        Actually, the "second in command" would be a common creature
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                        • #13
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            The deck of cards were terrorists. No particular a clan name.
                            Ba'athist isn't a clan designation, it's a party affiliation.


                            (Now, alot of the Ba'athist leadership in Iraq was from Saddam's al-Takriti clan, but that's contingent.)
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                            • #15
                              "I'm second-in-command!"

                              "No, I'm second-in-command!"

                              "I'm second-in-command and so's my wife!"

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