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    Nothing new but some are pretty funny (in a sad sort of way) - Maroule


    'The Final Word Is Hooray!'
    Remembering the Iraq War's Pollyanna pundits

    3/15/06

    Weeks after the invasion of Iraq began, Fox News Channel host Brit Hume delivered a scathing speech critiquing the media's supposedly pessimistic assessment of the Iraq War.

    "The majority of the American media who were in a position to comment upon the progress of the war in the early going, and even after that, got it wrong," Hume complained in the April 2003 speech (Richmond Times Dispatch, 4/25/04). "They didn't get it just a little wrong. They got it completely wrong."

    Hume was perhaps correct--but almost entirely in the opposite sense. Days or weeks into the war, commentators and reporters made premature declarations of victory, offered predictions about lasting political effects and called on the critics of the war to apologize.

    Around the same time as Hume's speech, syndicated columnist Cal Thomas declared (4/16/03): "All of the printed and voiced prophecies should be saved in an archive. When these false prophets again appear, they can be reminded of the error of their previous ways and at least be offered an opportunity to recant and repent. Otherwise, they will return to us in another situation where their expertise will be acknowledged, or taken for granted, but their credibility will be lacking."

    Gathered here are some of the most notable media comments from the early days of the Iraq War.


    Declaring Victory

    "Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it."
    (CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)


    "Congress returns to Washington this week to a world very different from the one members left two weeks ago. The war in Iraq is essentially over and domestic issues are regaining attention."
    (NPR's Bob Edwards, 4/28/03)


    "Tommy Franks and the coalition forces have demonstrated the old axiom that boldness on the battlefield produces swift and relatively bloodless victory. The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly shattered skeptics' complaints."
    (Fox News Channel's Tony Snow, 4/13/03)


    "The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
    (Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)


    "We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united the country and brought the military back."
    (Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)


    "We're all neo-cons now."
    (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)


    "The war was the hard part. The hard part was putting together a coalition, getting 300,000 troops over there and all their equipment and winning. And it gets easier. I mean, setting up a democracy is hard, but it is not as hard as winning a war."
    (Fox News Channel's Fred Barnes, 4/10/03)


    "Oh, it was breathtaking. I mean I was almost starting to think that we had become inured to everything that we'd seen of this war over the past three weeks; all this sort of saturation. And finally, when we saw that it was such a just true, genuine expression. It was reminiscent, I think, of the fall of the Berlin Wall. And just sort of that pure emotional expression, not choreographed, not stage-managed, the way so many things these days seem to be. Really breathtaking."
    (Washington Post reporter Ceci Connolly, appearing on Fox News Channel on 4/9/03, discussing the pulling down of a Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad, an event later revealed to have been a U.S. military PSYOPS operation--Los Angeles Times, 7/3/04)


    Mission Accomplished?

    "The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific."
    (PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)


    "We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits."
    (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 5/1/03)


    "He looked like an alternatively commander in chief, rock star, movie star, and one of the guys."
    (CNN's Lou Dobbs, on Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' speech, 5/1/03)


    Neutralizing the Opposition

    "Why don't the damn Democrats give the president his day? He won today. He did well today."
    (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)


    "What's he going to talk about a year from now, the fact that the war went too well and it's over? I mean, don't these things sort of lose their--Isn't there a fresh date on some of these debate points?"
    (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, speaking about Howard Dean--4/9/03)


    "If image is everything, how can the Democratic presidential hopefuls compete with a president fresh from a war victory?"
    (CNN's Judy Woodruff, 5/5/03)


    "It is amazing how thorough the victory in Iraq really was in the broadest context..... And the silence, I think, is that it's clear that nobody can do anything about it. There isn't anybody who can stop him. The Democrats can't oppose--cannot oppose him politically."
    (Washington Post reporter Jeff Birnbaum-- Fox News Channel, 5/2/03)


    Nagging the "Naysayers"

    "Now that the war in Iraq is all but over, should the people in Hollywood who opposed the president admit they were wrong?"
    (Fox News Channel's Alan Colmes, 4/25/03)


    "I doubt that the journalists at the New York Times and NPR or at ABC or at CNN are going to ever admit just how wrong their negative pronouncements were over the past four weeks."
    (MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/9/03)


    "I'm waiting to hear the words 'I was wrong' from some of the world's most elite journalists, politicians and Hollywood types.... I just wonder, who's going to be the first elitist to show the character to say: 'Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong'? Maybe the White House will get an apology, first, from the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. Now, Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war....

    "Do you all remember Scott Ritter, you know, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr. Ritter actually told a French radio network that -- quote, 'The United States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs, defeated.' Sorry, Scott. I think you've been chasing the wrong tail, again.

    "Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant, they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it. After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing."
    (MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)


    "Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
    (Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)


    "This has been a tough war for commentators on the American left. To hope for defeat meant cheering for Saddam Hussein. To hope for victory meant cheering for President Bush. The toppling of Mr. Hussein, or at least a statue of him, has made their arguments even harder to defend. Liberal writers for ideologically driven magazines like The Nation and for less overtly political ones like The New Yorker did not predict a defeat, but the terrible consequences many warned of have not happened. Now liberal commentators must address the victory at hand and confront an ascendant conservative juggernaut that asserts United States might can set the world right."
    (New York Times reporter David Carr, 4/16/03)


    "Well, the hot story of the week is victory.... The Tommy Franks-Don Rumsfeld battle plan, war plan, worked brilliantly, a three-week war with mercifully few American deaths or Iraqi civilian deaths.... There is a lot of work yet to do, but all the naysayers have been humiliated so far.... The final word on this is, hooray."
    (Fox News Channel's Morton Kondracke, 4/12/03)

    "Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
    (CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)

    "Sean Penn is at it again. The Hollywood star takes out a full-page ad out in the New York Times bashing George Bush. Apparently he still hasn't figured out we won the war."
    (MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 5/30/03)
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    "The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
    (Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)
    Doesn't it suck when Upper Westside liberals hold views more rooted in reality than your own?
    "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
    -Joan Robinson

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    • #3
      Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it.
      Seems they decided to waste plenty of it.
      Blah

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      • #4
        This is the one that strikes me as *most* wrong:

        "The war was the hard part. The hard part was putting together a coalition, getting 300,000 troops over there and all their equipment and winning. And it gets easier. I mean, setting up a democracy is hard, but it is not as hard as winning a war."
        (Fox News Channel's Fred Barnes, 4/10/03)
        a. coalition?
        b. um, no. Taking down a military you already eviscerated 10 years before using the most powerful army on the planet vs. creating democracy in a country like Iraq? Hindsight makes it even clearer, but many knew this going in.

        -Arrian

        p.s. Incidently, I didn't know that the statue pull-down was PSYOPS. You in on that one, Oerdin? Looking back, it doesn't surprise me now.
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #5
          Arg, reading all those smug, moronic quotes... what *******s. Pisses me off!

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #6
            Ah. The liberal media, I see...
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Quotes like that are the reason I couldn't watch any US TV news at any point from 2002 to mid 2004.

              Stupid, cheerleading shortsightedness.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                Stupid, cheerleading shortsightedness.
                Which whipped support from more than 80% of the population

                It's be interesting to search for some quotes made by Apolytoners at the time. I'm sure they'd sound golden today too
                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                • #9
                  Told you so
                  So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                  Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Spiffor

                    Which whipped support from more than 80% of the population

                    It's be interesting to search for some quotes made by Apolytoners at the time. I'm sure they'd sound golden today too
                    Well it takes too much effort to dig up all the dumb quotes but I did make a poll about what people thought would happen in Iraq on the 3rd of March 2003 and I think the results are fairly interesting:



                    Ooooh and it looks like I was spot-on with the Lebanon option. Go me!
                    Stop Quoting Ben

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                    • #11
                      The reporting of the halt in the sandstorm was silly analysis, including ex-EUCOM CINC Clark's analysis. So was the "Stalingrad" worries and cries of Roland. The concerns over inserruction and guerilla warfare and rank instability in the country were prescient and I shared them. I do think that the negativism of some of our "allies" has played into giving this inseruction play rather then moral isolation, but this is a minor effect compared to the issue itself. I always wanted to go in (in afgh and iraq) and hang the leaders (literally) and get out. No nation building, no food drops in Afghanistan. Just a show of force to leaders that want to **** with us.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spiffor
                        It's be interesting to search for some quotes made by Apolytoners at the time. I'm sure they'd sound golden today too
                        There's a treasure-trove of hawkish posts from Oerdin here that are shot down by Che and GePap:

                        Unbelievable!

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                        • #13
                          Wow. I am really proud of post #38 in that thread. I can;t believe this is more than three years old:


                          As for my pessimism of the aftermath:

                          1) the talk I hear form the admin. scares me. I keep hearing how the US will remake Iraq like it remade Germany and Japan: the problem is that there are huge gaps in the legitimacy of such action today, problems not present in 1945 Germany and Japan. In 1945 Ger. and Japan were defeated nations (not just governments) and in that sense, outside states had the legitmacy to remake their national institutions. Today we say we are out to liberate Iraqis. That means the Iraqi people are non-complicit with their state and thus we have no more legitimacy to try to impose a system on them anymore than their current government, even when we win a war, since if Saddams rule by force is illegitimate, so is ours. We did the right thing in Afghanistan by letting them decide the shape of their future government and culture, though we have failed to give them the necessary material support. I fear we will try for far more in Iraq.

                          2)From the time the US invades ot the time all sites in iraq are fully under US control: that is the one time WMD could get into the hands of terrorists. What could be done to stop that?

                          3) the American people support a war to get rid of Saddam's WMD. After this gets done, how many will support and occupation of Iraq for many years to turn it into a democracy, with the bill coming out of their pocket? The war the American people back, and the war they will get are two different things. How long can this dicodomy last before it turns into a problem?

                          The aftermath of the war might be better for the Iraqis (though for how long, only history knows right now) but what about for everyone else? I am not an iraqi, so call me selfish for not carring about their prospects as much as those of everyone else.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arrian

                            p.s. Incidently, I didn't know that the statue pull-down was PSYOPS. You in on that one, Oerdin? Looking back, it doesn't surprise me now.
                            I wasn't aware it was PSYOPs but it was certainly a stagged for media event where a tiny group of people were reported to be a huge cheering crowd.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darius871
                              There's a treasure-trove of hawkish posts from Oerdin here that are shot down by Che and GePap:

                              http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...31#post1707831


                              *tries to breathe*



                              Originally posted by Ted Striker
                              I still contend that World Trade Center 1 (1993) was sponsored by Iraq.



                              **** if I was Saddam, I'd be doing everything I could to get back America.

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