Micro-loan pioneer and bank win Nobel Peace Prize

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Pekka
And those are still indirect reasons. It should be direct in this one. Well at least that's what I think, obviously most disagreed.

I'm with you Pekka!

Though with this love for indirectly advancing peace (which could encompase anything), I'm waiting for Mosanto to get their Nobel Peace Prize for creating GM foods that could feel a bunch more people than currently .

[Pekka]

Well I don't know about the brown people thing but I just think Ahtisaari was the best candidate for his actual work in the last few decades. It's not a coincidence that he gets asked to be a broker in difficult situations. IT's also not a coincidnece those parties usually end up in mutually satisfactory deals. It's also not a coincidence that he has his own business dealing with conflict issues and working peaceful solutions.

So yeah, in that sense, I think it's a joke that the current winner is who they are. They're doing a good job, yeah, but this still was the prize for peace. Not some indirect stuff, hardly tangible to this category.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


I'm with you Pekka!

Though with this love for indirectly advancing peace (which could encompase anything), I'm waiting for Mosanto to get their Nobel Peace Prize for creating GM foods that could feel a bunch more people than currently .

We can already easily feed the entire world, but choose not to. What is GM foods going to do?

[RGBVideo]

Actually I think Ahtisaari would have been a great choice.

You're not the only one

I just think Ahtisaari was the best candidate for his actual work in the last few decades.

Yup... I'm not supporting Ahtisaari over jingoism or any silly crap like that, the whole concept of a universal peace prize is just such a cool idea that it'd be nice to see IF the committee would return the prize's credibility by giving it to a candidate who has the most merit in getting the prize.

Now I'm not arrogant enough to claim that I know that Ahtisaari is THE person who has done directly the most for peace in the world in order to receive this reward, but I sure as hell realize that he has done more than this guy who received it this year. It's sad to see how the Nobel prize committee is slowly destroying the value of their most renowned award.

[Pekka]

That's another joke. We won't ever see GM foods, even though it would make the hunger situation much better. Hippies are against it, GM is evil. We don't know how it effects is their claim, I say let the hungry people decide that. I'm not the one taking away GM food out of the people who are starving to death, just because someone is taking the high road. Is there plausible reasearch GM IS actually very harmful? Haven't seen those either, so what gives? It's just a big powerplay by the ones who claim to have higher priorities and values than the rest of us. Kind of paradoxal.

And people who create peace initiatives should always be on the top of those lists. Not some other folks. Say, in the future, Clinton might win this for his global initiative and I'm not against it. We'll see how it works out, so far looks good.

But Ahtisaari will never win this adn I don't know why. Surely he was the best candidate this year. Maybe not the best in the world, but this year absolutely, out of these candidates.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious


What is GM foods going to do?

This is what they claim.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe



This is what they claim.

Stop wasting my time with your cold heartedness.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, I find the argument tenuous as well (give people more an oppertunity and you'll find peace) considering the small nature of these loans, which really make the poor into the less poor, but still lower class. He's doing a great thing, but I'm not sure it advances the cause of peace so much.

I have to agree. He did (does) do good work but good work doesn't mean he's bring about peace in the world.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Winston
It comes as no surprise to me that the Prize Committee apparently sought long and hard to identify a Muslim whom they could award, and at the same time be able to reasonably defend their grounds for making that choice.

Congratulations to Muhammed - and not least to the Committee. Once again, good job!

It sounds like the whole Nobel process has become highly politicized and less to do with merit.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oerdin


It sounds like the whole Nobel process has become highly politicized and less to do with merit.

You just noticed that?

[Kidlicious]

It never became like that, because it started out like that.

[Dinner]

I noticed that it has become far more political since 9/11.

This guy should have won an economics prize and little else. Basically he is entirely undeserving of a peace prize but the Swedes desperately wanted a muslim to give the prize to so they came up with this tenious connection and declared him the winner. How about naming people based on merit instead of "we really need a muslim/westerner/nonwesterner/black person to give the prize to this year"?

[lord of the mark]

re poverty and stuff

Lord Boyd Orr recieved the Prize in 1949 for his work as head of the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) the presentation speech makes clear that the the importance of "Freedom from Want" to peace was recognized in giving the prize. Now maybe y'all dont agree with this, but its been part of the Nobel Peace Prize since 1949.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
How about naming people based on merit instead of "we really need a muslim/westerner/nonwesterner/black person to give the prize to this year"?

I think this is a nifty idea.

[Pekka]

This is BS because this Nobel Prize is very respected one. I mean it makes a huge difference if you won the Noble prize or didn't. So it's not just unfair, it's BS.